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Aug 26, 2006 2:57 PM

husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

We have been in the ministry for several years and the hardest part for me is the women attaching to my man.  My man is not always seeing it and doesn't set clear enough boundaries.  We have been experiencing several difficulties for the last few months.  It has been quite trying. 
Well, I have noticed a "friendship" between my husband and a young woman about 10 years younger.  She is kind, sweet and has some emotional issues.  I knew he had counseled  and befriended, but I had a bad feeling.  I then noticed large numbers of texts and frequent phone calls going both ways.  This week I noticed this "weird" attachment to his phone.  I picked it up one day and she had sent a message.  "I love spending time with you.  I am looking forward to..."  Also something about "smothering me not at all"   I began reading it then he showed up and I clicked off of it.  I felt like what I was doing was wrong or violating.  Crazy. huh.  Then I made a call and set the phone down.  He picked up the phone.  Looked at it and deleted the text messages.  He asked if anything was wrong, and I didn't really reply as I wanted to pray and think before I spoke.  He realized that I had seen something disturbing.  He called her and set a boundary.   Well, I was unsettled so I started checking the occurrences of text messages.  You can't get the info texted, but the last months number bothered me.  Hundreds and Hundreds of messages.  I have not looked as closely at phone calls but there are plenty of them. 
The next day I calmly sat down and talked to him.  I knew I would be honoring God if I handled this well and attempted to do so.  He admitted this was out of hand.  There was too much communication but nothing else.   I explained I felt this had to change and he said it would be taken care of.   He didn't say he had already spoke to her.  Later I explained that their had been hundreds of messages in a month if not more.  He agreed this was out of line but only a friendship.  Now with more looking I have seen this was going on for atleast 3 months.  It quickly increased.  I didn't even realize they were "friends" or talked much when this started.  Many text conversations would begin at 11:00 at night.  (I think this is when she gets off work.)  Sometimes these conversations would last 1 to 1/2 hours.  Many many times it would be night after night after night.  On our vacation, he texted and called her after I was asleep.  (More than one night)  She called and texted also.  The more I look the more I find.  I have asked "how do you define this "friendship"   What are you texting and talking about?  His responses were texting about just anything and it is defined as a friendship that he should not have with another woman.  I know she shared many of her struggles and he shared his. 
During this time, he would occassionally complain about marriage issues.  He says there is not a link.
I am so scared. 
1st     I feel betrayed.  I am not trusting that this didn't go farther.  He says it didn't but let's get real.
2nd    I don't know what to do.  He just says it is taken care of.  I was wrong.  I am sorry.
3rd     I am an emotional basket case.  I keep a strong front for all especially our children-no clue at all.
4th     Today he said I am fishing for something not there, but everytime I look at past records I find more concerns.

What would you ask him?  I can deal with an affair of sexual nature more than an emotional, love affair if that makes sense.  The thought of him having a better friendship with another woman is heart wrenching.  I am handling this well with him.  He is complimentary on how I handled this.  I have put his feelings as well as hers above mine which is so crazy.  I pray and it feels so dark yet I feel my father's embrace.  He has comforted me.  I have no one to talk to about this except through prayer.
If anyone can take the time, I really need prayer and advice.
What would you do?        What would Christ do?

pastordale Community Member 36 posts since
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1. Aug 28, 2006 7:16 AM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

ministrylady220, as you already know this is an innappropriate relationship your husband has with this woman and the both of you need to sit down with another pastor that you both respect and seek counseling before there is an sexual encounter. I suspect as you do, there might be more to this than meets the eye. I will pray for you, as the trust issue must be huge for you right now!pastordale

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3. Aug 28, 2006 11:32 AM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

Hi ministrylady220It seems like you are on the right track, don't give up, if you do, the devil wins! I can see you both want to work on this, and that is the key to success, so many don't care about losing their families and wives, so sad!  God is able to restore what the locusts have eaten, and restore to you the blessings of marriage He wants you to enjoy. Continuing to pray! pastordale

lookingup Community Member 72 posts since
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4. Aug 28, 2006 3:15 PM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

Ministry Lady,

I hurt for you.  I cannot imagine the sense of betrayal as well as real concern.  Is he really being open and honest?  The Lord knows.  Ask God to reveal the truth here.  I believe He will.  Thank The Lord that you noticed this at all.
 
What a difficult situation to be in.  You seem to be handling this well in a practical sense but you need to be careful that you get your emotional and spiritual needs met here.  This hurts and you need some advice and help!  I would encourage you to get some counseling alone where you can be real and not trying to be loving, supporting, Godly in what you say with your husband there.  You need someone to be real with and cry with and to get some good Godly advice.

You seem on a good path.  I will pray for you and your husband.  Would it be wrong to ask this young lady to kindly find another congregation?    I think not.  Maybe some time off from full time ministry is just what you need.  I will certainly pray for you.

Blessings and hope to you,
Looking Up...Lift your eyes to the hills from whence comes your help, your help comes from The Lord.  May He hold you up when you cannot hold yourself dear sister and may He dry your tears.

Mom3 Community Member 279 posts since
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5. Aug 29, 2006 2:30 PM in response to: lookingup
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

Ministrylady220;
Wow, that is so sad. You handled it so well though. Very gracious. I just think todays gadgets get people in more and more trouble. Yep, this friendship got out of hand.
It was a good idea to get another minister in on this not only for counselling but also for accountability. That possibly has helped your dh knowing some other mininster is aware of this as well.
Sounds like a break from the ministry might be a good idea. That doesn't mean anything at all, other than you need to take a break. Ya all need this time for one another, your family and for him to seek the Lord on what He wants him to do with his life and how God wants it done.
I will be praying.

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6. Aug 30, 2006 12:22 AM in response to: lookingup
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

Lookingup - I like your theme verse. 
Ministry Lady - in the fall of 2005 and winter of 2006 my husband was coming home several times a month between 1 and 3 am.  I woke up one day and realized how badly things had deteriorated in our marriage.  It took a lot of prayer and searching to find pastors who were willing to help me.  One thing I kept saying to them was that pastor's wives need pastoral counsel too - not just the husbands.  This summer one of the pastors finally directly confronted my husband about specific things.  I began to see some changes.  I have had ongoing prayer support from a trusted elder and wife too which has made a big difference.  A BIG difference.  I cannot emphasize enough the need for prayer cover.  There was an older pastor in the spring who confronted my husband on a few peripheral issues - it was not pretty - my husband lashed out at me after the first confrontation - and it was really scary for me - I wouldn't want to go through it again - but the fear from that experience put me on the right path to seeking help and support for myself.
I want to encourage you - we are not completely out of the woods yet - and as the pressure eases up on me sometimes I feel rebellious and want to just quit trying - but the Lord is so gentle with me to draw me back to keep working on my marriage.
I sense in this season the Lord is calling pastors back to holiness - especially in their marriages.  Part of the reason I think we've seen people falling away from churches is because things inside the church are just as sick and messed up as things outside the church. 
It is good that you are paying attention.  God will walk this road with you and I will pray right now for increased wisdom and discernment - that He will show you what to do next - and hold you in the palm of His hand - and fill your heart with peace and confidence as you live under His direction.

ps343 Community Member 11 posts since
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7. Sep 1, 2006 1:55 AM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

My sister in Christ. How I hurt for you. I have experienced this EXACT same thing and have posted to this board about it. All communication with this woman has to stop NOW! My husband, by the grace of God, stopped accepting messages or replying to them. He doens't answer his phone when she calls. She is now making trouble for us with our senior pastor, who doesn't support us on this issue. My only advice to you is pray harder than you've ever prayed before, shower your husband with love and attention. In our case we had been fighting a lot and I realize that I could be driving him to seek attnetion from someone else, because he wasn't getting it at home - even though this soens't make it right. I pray that this can stop and know that God can restore. Our counselor told us that she doesn't know how God does it, but in almost every case she has counseled, when a woman felt uncomfortable about another woman having interactions with her husband, the situation was usually validated. May God give you strength and protect you.God bless,ps343

momturtle Community Member 15 posts since
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8. Apr 8, 2009 12:33 PM in response to: ps343
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

My husband is also texting other women..It has become a very sore subject in our marriage and even caused a fight yesterday. He texts several females ranging in age from 30 something (he is 31) to a 14 year old. I have told him time and time again to stop this expecially the underage girls, there are two. Just yesterday he texted a 16 year old 106 times and then blew up at me when I confronted him about it. He starts screaming and cussing at me and he KNOWS how much that bothers me. But just like any abusive husband he ALWAYS says he's sorry afterward, but how do you repair all those hurtful words that spewed from his mouth? He threw the phone at me and told me to cut the texting off and I will probably do it. The 16 year old that he texts so much is a member of the youth group I teach on Wednesday nights and this has caused some strain in class too. He swears that they are JUST FRIENDS but I can't get it thru his thick skull that it is inapproperate no matter what, especially if I have any kind of problem with it..this isn't the first time either..when I find out he is texting other women/girls I text them myself and ask them to stop and that of course causes an argument when he finds out I did it. My 16 year old daughter use to be friends with this girl, but she won't have her over to the house anymore because my husband just gets too friendly. So if your able to make your husband stop your lucky..How do you build trust back after a thing like this???

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9. Jul 29, 2009 9:47 AM in response to: momturtle
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

Hello momturtle, I have read all of the posts on this and empathize with what you all are going through. I have dealt with this with my own husband in the past and now a dear friend of mine is currently dealing with this issue right now. Her husband is a youth pastor and has a bad habit of becoming too friendly with his youth girls as well as other women he meets in the ministry. He is also a part-time counselor so he also has a lot of female clients. The clients are usually what gets him into trouble. He feels compelled to be there for these women by diving into their personal lives and these women who are emotionally, spiritually, and  intimately needy latch onto him sucking him into an emotional affair.  He usually communicates via, facebook, texting, and cell phone calls. When his wife would find out about the relationship he would usually deny it at first, then become angry with her for confronting him, than lash out at her because she would ask him to stop all communication and then eventually apologize and make promises to stop all contact, get rid of facebook etc. 

I thought your last comment in your post, "If your able to make your husband stop your lucky" and "How do you build trust back after a thing like this?" is exactly how most of us feel. I, as well as my friend, are still learning how to forgive, forget and trust without constantly feeling like we need to be checking up on our husbands. Fortunately, my husband agreed to go to counseling for this issue as an attempt to save our marriage. He struggles with issues from being abandoned by his birth mother and adopted mother as well as being sexually abused as an adolescent. As a result of these issues he finds himself getting sucked into the emotional trap of needy women before he even realizes what he is doing. He also realizes now that he has a great need in his life to be needed by women.

My friends husband also is dealing with serious past abuse issues which contributes to his behavior. Most of the time he is not even aware that what he is doing is dangerously inappropriate and teeters on the slippery slope of adultery.

I say all of this in light of your husbands current behavior towards younger women and also in how he responds to you. Do you know if he has unresolved trauma from his childhood? I'm not saying this has to be the case or that it is an excuse for what he is doing and how he is treating you but it could explain his denial about his behavior and his anger towards you.

You stated that this issue has gone so far as to stop your daughter from inviting this particular girlfriend over to your house. If his behavior has caused that much turmoil in your home life that even your daughter is aware that something is not quite right, (even though your husband swears that he is just friends with these girls) then he has crossed over a line that either he is not fully aware of or he is rationalizing it away and refusing to accept that what he is doing is wrong. Based on his reactions to you I would say it is the later of the two. You are correct in saying that we cannot make our husbands stop what they are doing. We cannot make anyone do anything that they do not wish to do.

If your husband is telling himself that he is not doing anything wrong in order to feel better about himself so that he can keep doing what he is doing he is going to resent you for telling him that he is wrong for doing what he is doing. That does not mean you should turn a blind eye to his behavior, instead, consult the Lord on how to approach your husband concerning all of this. (Forgive me if this implies that you have not done so already, I'm certain you have spent many hours crying out to the Lord concerning this).

What I mean to say is perhaps his resistance to the truth about his actions may be a direct result of his need to preserve a damaged spirit and prevent painful unconscious issues from coming to light. Without the help of the Holy Spirit no one will perceive or accept the truth about a self-centered and sinful life pattern. I know confrontation is hard (I absolutely hate confrontation) but if it is done in a loving and Godly manor it will be worth it and productive in the end. Ask God to help you to be calm, loving and uncondeming even if he responds in an angry and irrational way. This might help him feel better about his self-worth and allow him the freedom to be vulnerable without having to be defensive.

My heart goes out to you and the pain that you are dealing with. It will take time for your heart to heal from these wounds but I firmly believe that God's love can cover over a multitude of sins that have wounded our spirits. Jesus came to heal the broken hearted, to set free the captives to sin and to release those who live in the darkness of their past (Isaiah 61:1, paraphrase mine).

Jesus Christ came to set us free and when we let him do so, we are free in deed!

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10. Aug 12, 2009 9:10 AM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

Dear ministrylady220  I find your post so ironic.  I am in the same position, but the other woman is supposedly this highly religious person.  She is the widow of my husband's niece.  He contacted her initially to give his condolences. Unbeknownst to me, they began conversing and e-mailing just about everyday.  He gives her money, sends her presents, and can't go one day without contacting her.  He is completely in the wrong because he is my spouse and took vows.  She is less to blame but totally a hypocrite since she fully realizes she has an emotional affair going on with a married man.  I have no children home at this time and could go for a divorce.  But my solution was to get a vacation apartment.  I'd rather pay for the apartment than for a lawyer.  In New York it is next ot impossible to get a divorce if your spouse does not want one.  I have reached a point of not caring.  I am actually waiting for his next wrong move to completely withdraw.  It is not the best solution, I suppose, but it is far easier than a messy drawn out divorce.  No matter what you or I think, our spouses are cheating.  I am angry, not jealous.  This woman cannot hold a candle to me.  I just wish he'd tell me the truth.  That's what's aggravating me.  I have no real feelings anymore.  I just urge you to accept the truth as I have.  I refuse to fool myself into thinking he is just a good samaritan.  Her actions are unconscionable.  She is supposed to be a Sunday school teacher and all.  She is one piece of work and gives all truly religious people a bad name.  Accept the truth and find a viable solution for yourself.  Do as I have done.  Pray to God for strength and the ability to find a peaceful solution for yourself.  The bum isn't going to change.  Accepting that is half the battle.

livvygirl

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11. Aug 12, 2009 9:10 AM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"
I read your post over and over again, because I know exactly how you feel.  Although I am not married, I went through a similar situation with my boyfriend, and although it was not nearly of the magnitude you described, the fact that he would text and make phone calls to another woman in the middle of the night and behind my back was quite hurtful to our relationship.  In addition, when we started the relationship he asked me to end all contact with male friends that I talked to.  I admit some of them were people I had dated in the past, or people that I knew wanted to date me, but they were just friends at the time.  I did end all contact with these people and he did the same, but the internet being what it is, it was easy for him to meet this person online when we were playing a game and it progressed to several phone calls and text messages, (the messages were hurtful because he was telling her how much he missed talking to her and they were sent after he had told me that he had stopped talking to her).  I talked to this girl and she told me that they had had phone sex and told me he talked to her because she was so young and beautiful and she knew how old I was so how could I compare myself to her.  Because I was so hurt and angry, I went and did something much worse with someone I also met on the internet and my boyfriend found out about this when this man told him after I refused to continue contact with him.  i know that two wrongs don't make a right and hindsight is always 20/20, but I honestly thought at the time that getting even would in some way make me feel better about what had happened.  Because of the love we have for each other we have found a way to move on and although he has done everything to make me more secure and ended all contact with this person, it is still extremely difficult for me to get the trust back that I was just building with him.  I must say that you handled the situation much better than I did because you rationally and calmly have talked to your husband about it.  I was too angry and hurt at the time to behave in that manner, and I am ashamed of how I conducted myself when I found out.  We are trying to work things out as well, and when those hurtful feelings surface I try to go to God's word for help.  What is also helping me is a book I purchased about regaining trust and I have started counseling to help me deal with my insecurities and self-esteem.  Although I admit that I have a long way to go, every day I try to trust him a little more, but sometimes it's not easy, especially when Satan brings up my memories of what happened.  My hope for you is that everything works out in your marriage.  It seems like your husband, like my boyfriend want to work towards regaining the trust we have lost.   I will pray for your marriage and that you and that God gives you both the strength and committment to work things out. .
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12. Sep 8, 2009 1:19 PM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

My dear sister in Christ:

You are not alone. As a fellow pastor's wife when I experienced a similar situation with my husband it felt as if I was the only woman whose husband was bewitched. God has given us a discerning sprit to see these things even before they happen. In my situation, the young woman is a beautiful married woman who is 20 years younger than my husband. This woman is a Christian but her spouse is an unbeliever. She seems to be starved of affection and because my husband is a caring and sensitive man she became inappropriately attached to him. At first it seemed innocent until God showed me several unhealthy behaviors and a spirit of lust controlling this woman. For example, she brought him a bottle of multivitamins with a picture of a man on the bottle who was naked in the upper body; she always finds a way to get his attention and goes to his office every time he is there; she is not mobile so she positions herself after church to get a ride from him; she is always smiling around him and lowers her voice in a seductive way whenever she speaks to him; she volunteers to clean the church on Saturdays and to study when my husband is alone at church preparing his sermon.  Whenever my husband and this woman is talking it seems like two peole who have just falling in love. They giggle, look at each other in a longing way and I feel like the odd one out. It is almost as if I do not exist.

 

I have told my husband about my concern and that he should set up boundaries with this women but he thinks she is innocent and I am crazy. He further told me that I was nagging him and on one occasion he slammed the door in my face. His behavior was an indication to me that he was convicted of inappropriate behavior. I have prayed diligently that God would open my husband's eyes to see the seductive nature of this needy woman. At this stage, I have been praying and fasting that God would deliver my husband from this bewitching spirit and to free this woman that she may find fulfillment in Christ and in her husband.

 

Praise the lord,my husband is now beginning to see the traps of this woman and he has begun to set up the boundaries. It took 8 months of crying out to God night and day before my husband eyes were opened. I will pray for you. I believe it is God's will that our marriages last and be a blessing, especially when we are in ministry. Please read Psalm 16: 8 and be comforted. You are not alone. The enemy uses a spirit of adultery and lust to attack Christian marriages and if we are not fortified by prayer we may became a prey for the Devil. My prayers are with you. I hope to hear of your victory soon.

 

P.S. Please try not to focus too much on this issue and forget the purpose for which God has called you.

 

Donna

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13. Oct 5, 2009 8:56 AM in response to: pastordale
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"

My husband is constantly texting.  He knows that it bothers me and he says that they are just "friends".  I ask him to stop or cut back on the calls and he is not willing to.  He calls 4-5 woman consistantly.  His number of texts to other woman a month on his phone, number over a thousand.  They all seem to be very needy, young, emotional women that need his counsel.

 

In Matthew 18 it tells us to go to the person that has hurt us and if they don't hear you, bring another and if they don't hear you, take it to the church.  Just the thought of that stirs up fear.  I know that it is how God told us to deal with problems like this.  Have you done this before?  Has this been successful?  It seems like it would only make him madder at you for exposing him.  There is no way he would agree to meeting with pastor or friend on this subject.  It is very possible that he would walk out if I tried to trick him into meeting a friend or pastor.  Do you have any suggestions?  Has anyone else done this and it worked out?

netzar Community Member 1 posts since
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14. Jan 26, 2010 11:01 AM in response to: ministrylady220
Re: husband...text messages...calls...another woman...."friendship"
Wow...it is good to know I'm not in this all by myself.  I do feel like there is no one else to talk about this with though...I'm glad I have God.  Well to make a long story short. I was married young and a couple years ago my husband hit rock bottom.  He was very depressed and I told him it was God trying to get his attention.  Turns out he had some secrets while we were married and confessed that he was a sexual addict.  He became a Christian and confessed everything to me (sometimes I wished he hadn't).  He also confessed he had had dreams of this young girl we know (our daughter's age).  He was very convincing that he was a changed man and I believe he was but lately I have notice (I hope I'm not just being crazy) that his old ways are returning in the way he looks at women, etc.  Found out by accident he has been texting this girl regularly...everything seemed to be innocent and I'm sure it is because this young girl is very sweet and probably does not realize but it just does not seem right.  I also found out that he is looking at porn.  When I confronted him about it he says it's a normal guy thing to look at porn sometimes.  And as far as the young girl, he said I didn't understand.  He's a child of divorced parents, like she is, and he is just giving her a father figure.  My daughter is even creeped out by his special attention towards her.  I might also add that in looking at the cell phone reports 9 times out of 10 he has been the one initiating the text.  She did once when it was his birthday.  Please tell me I'm not going crazy and that I have trust issues...I don't know what to do.

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