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This is something I am trying to figure out. I have practiced tough love toward my husband when he did not end his relationship with the other woman and commit to our marriage I did this after I year of "just loving" him as best I could and tired to be a godly wife to him. I began to see my issues that contributed to our marriage problems and began working on me in hopes he would "come around" and commit to me. Well, he continued his affair while lying to me and telling me there was "nothing going on". When the evidenced that they were involved was seen by me at least 2 times within that year, I finally asked him if he wanted to have a marriage or be roommates. He wanted to be my roommate so I said I was not interested in that . I asked him to move out of our home but stated I still wanted to work on our marriage and go to counseling. My husband said he was not interested in this. I said OK and have left things alone. . I have not begged him nor do I call him unless it is "business" or kids stuff. He knows I want to have God lead us out of this place we are in and have a Christ centered marriage. I wrote him an email this month telling him my honest feelings. I applied "tough Love" after giving "unconditional love" even while he was sinning. OK I have read Love Need to be Tough by Dr. Dobson after I asked my husband to make a choice. I had followed the that approach before I read the book.
Other opinions are if our unfaithful spouse wants to stay we should let them and continue to pray for them and let God work. Did I do the wrong thing asking him to make a choice? . If there wasn't silence and distance he was picking a fight. I was dead inside. I was seeking the Lord for direction and strength and things kept getting worse. All the tension left when my husband left. I had peace for myself and my daughters. Now I struggle with wondering if I made a mistake. Did I make things worse because he left and then had an excuse to go deeper into sin? I have told my husband I want to save our marriage and that I still love him..But... I do not want him home until he repents. I have repented of my sins (still working on some though) He now live with the other woman in her home.
Others also say you should let them come home even if it is because they want to be obedient to God only. Yes I want him to be obedient to God but he also would need to repent Right ? I would never want to let him into my life to hurt us again. He came home once already early on but without repenting. It did not work.. I applied tough love while loving my husband unconditionally.. A person still needs boundaries Right? What are good boundaries to have if your spouse "suddenly" returns. Do you let him come home right away or do you need to set some boundaries before they can come home? I would want boundaries because of my trust issues with him. Has anyone had these questions? There are many opinions . Thank you and God Bless, Chipfishing
When I left my home, children and wife 14 years ago, I was convinced my wife was the wrong person for me--that I had found a "soul mate."
It wasn't until she became strong and independent that I began second-guessing my feelings. It's funny as my situation is turned around now. She is the one who doesn't know if she wants the marriage to work and I have become a "stander."
During the past 3 months (she told me in Oct. that she wanted a separation and would do so "after the holidays"), I have done more than my fair share of begging, pleading, crying, etc. This and other things caused her to lose respect for me. I too have read "Love Must Be Tough," and have found that very hard to do as I have been very depressed, panicky and desperate.
It's odd looking back at our separation of 14 years ago, realizing that when she became strong and independent and pulled away, that was a big factor in me changing my mind and heart. Depsite all of the energy I have put into trying to "solve" our marriage dilema, even reading the tough love book, it has finally dawned on me that what she did then worked on me.
It's very hard to figure out what to do. I think becoming strong and independent while staying committed to the marriage is probably best. Make the decision that you would regret least. Sometimes it will take time when setting boundries for your spouse to respond. It may not happen right away. But continue to pray that God will change his heart. Continue to pray that God repair your marriage and family and continue to seek His guidance.
I will pray for you, your husband and your marriage.
Hi chipfishing,
I too struggled with boundaries and tough love. The way I came to understand boundaries took some time. In terms of my ex, I see setting boundaries as something I do in response to something he did or said. I mean, I couldn’t make him feel, think, consider anything, let alone do anything.
So, when my ex would call me at 11pm at night, I would not answer the call. I have a personal rule that I don’t take calls past 9pm from anyone but my family, closest friends or my partner. He was any of these anymore. I let these late calls go to the answering machine and answered them the next day. I don’t tell him it was too late to call either – comments like that would start arguments. I simply would exercise my boundary as respectful of him as I wanted to be of myself. The shift for me was moving to self respect and not demanding respected from others, but behaving in a way that showed respect for myself.
One of the problems I learnt with boundaries was that no-on could tell me where mine should be. I had to learn through pain and suffering where to move them to. And, interestingly, they ended up quite often where people told me they should be. But, I couldn’t start from that point and perhaps that is your struggle too?
I learnt, that it is impossible to reconcile while the other women were still in the picture. When my husband asked again to reconcile under these conditions I told him that I still loved him, cared for him and that I’d forgiven him everything, but that I didn’t want to have a relationship with shared intimacies. He understood this. I didn’t tell him to give them up. He asked me under what condition I would consider a relationship with him – I told him that I would consider it when the other women were gone. It was never really a demand.
This is perhaps the harshest thing I will say about my ex husband – he has a stable of women, each hoping to be “the one” – it is too painful, too demoralising, too exhausting to be in the stable. He remains angry with me to this day about this, saying that I have rejected him. However, I don’t cry like I used to – curled up in a ball in front of the heater for hours and hours every day.
You’re in my prayers
Mary-Anne.
I certainly think that you have a right to insist on his sexual and emotional faithfulness in the marriage. It is dangerous for you physically to have a spouse who is promiscuous. There is no way your relationship can go forward without this committment and rebuilding trust.
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Hi Maryanne
I feel your pain. Just keep praying for your ex. That is all you can do. But I feel you made the right choice. We have to set boundaries or some men will take advantage of us. Thats when Tough Love comes in. If he "is not" willing to change, there is nothing you can do. If he is willing to change there is always hope to work on that. I read the book "The Power of a Praying Woman" by Stormie Omartian. That book helped me sooo much to uplift me and inspire me. If you have a chance please read it. Take care and God Bless
Hi onemom
Yes you have to protect your kids. If not in the long run all the fighting and verbal abuse is going to affect your children emotionally and mentally and it will affect their future. I am talking from experience. I have 3 girls they are married now, but our fights affected them. They expressed this to me in counseling. Sometimes if it has to take a "separation" until things get better than that what has to be done. However, sometimes I know its hard if you can not afford the rent by yourself. So it makes it harder to set free. That is why if you attend a church maybe someone can help you there. When I separated I went to a friends house. Its so many things that one has to keep searching and searching. It is very hard. Take care and God Bless.
JayBee45~~ Mary- Ann~~ onemom~~johndoo~~ Margiecs5
There are too many of us in this boat. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. There is so much pain involved in this that I feel so much for all of us involved in different places on this journey. I think you are all correct. I am working on me and making a life without my husband. I really have not had to set any boundaries since I asked him to leave. That was the last one I had to make. His affair or our marriage. I am stronger and more independent now. I NEVER thought I could do what the Lord has helped me to be able to do these past 8 months. May the Lord turn our spouses hearts back to Him and our marriages. He has changed my heart so I know He will change our spouses. I can actually love my husband when he is sinning against God and me now. I would never have thought that was possible. Nothing is impossible with God My boundaries are "1" ~~ I will not accept him home until he has repented and asked for forgiveness from God..( I have already expressed to him and God my "sin" and asked for forgiveness) "2" ~~ No contact with the other woman . I think these are pretty obvious ones to anyone who truly has repented. I pray he will do these things without me having to "set" them. If I need to ask this of him, I will be concerned that his heart is not "right" .
Confidence is an attractive trait for all of us to have. I think the Lord gave that to me over the past months. Stay close to your Savior! He will direct your steps. I'm done thinking of things I can do. I've asked the Lord to do it all and let it go to Him. Move forward without them and work on you. They have to do their own work even if they haven't gotten there yet. I feel I had some kind of a break through this past week. I feel more peace and joy and am not constantly "worrying" and "obsessing" about my marriage. I feel compassion and love for a man who is suffering although he doesn't express it. I can see it .I do not see any evidence of change in my husbands heart but I have confidence God is working on Him as he has me. He will change them too but in His time. We cannot put our life on hold while waiting. If we do, we cannot heal .We need to go on and do what JayBee said and move on and be strong and independent as we stand waiting for God to move in our lives. God Bless you all and I will pray for you . Chipfishing
Chip~~ I can't begin to tell you how happy I am to hear how much progress you have made. I hope to be where you are someday, even though we are in very different situations.
I also want to tell you how much one of your last postings meant to me today. I've been feeling very depressed, lonely, guilty and angry. I had another night of pursuing my wife when she wanted nothing to do with me (at least we're both still under the same roof). For some time now, my days at work have been extremely difficult. It's been hard for me to concentrate on anything but trying to "fix" this mess my marriage is in.
I pray and pray for the strength to turn my life and my troubles over to God. My natural tendency is to try to solve problems and I've stuffed my brain non-stop with information about God's teachings, unconditional love, what makes a good and bad marriage, and how to be a better person and rid my life of sin. In my situation, I thought my marriage was safe - unhappy perhaps, troubled maybe, but secure. I understand now that the issues my wife cites for her reasons for possibly wanting to end our relationship are real and significant. I only wish she would have taken some action before she got to the point where she felt like ending our marriage. She thought I wouldn't have listened, but still never made a real effort to let me know how she was feeling.
So now I'm in a situation where we are in relationship purgatory--closer to hell than heaven. Although she finally agreed to participate in the Retrouvaille program, she still doesn't "feel" married, committed, forgiving, etc. Each day I am pained by the fact that she doesn't wear her wedding rings, doesn't make any attempt to contact me during the day, and still brings up hurtful things even during our dialogue time. In fact, most days, if it weren't for dialogue, we would hardly even talk. As I'm sure you and many others can understand, the pain of living with her is almost unbearable at times. We have 5 children, so it's not like one of us is read to rush out the door... Even the thought of living without my children in my life on a daily basis makes my head spin and depression kick in.
What I have been struggling with lately is ...
1. Guilt of withdrawing from my wife because the pain is so great. She makes "small talk" seemingly when she "has" to because we still live together. I know this is wrong, which just adds to the pain and guilt.
2. She is seeking God's guidance on making a decision as to whether we should separate. I believe she is influenced negatively by her friends, family and non-religious counselor (I have no idea if the counseler, herself, is Christian, but my wife is not seeking her advice on how to save the marriage, but how to treat herself). I just don't understand how God could be telling her anything but to re-commit to her marriage. Despite the incredible harships we have been through, I have not touched another woman since we reconcilled 14 years ago, and she is in no physical danger. She has never argued that our marriage is not one where our children would be better off with us divorcing. All we hear at church are things like "don't quit and split and other things about committing yourself to marriage.
3. Impatience. How long am I supposed to endure this pain while she goes through the process of making her decision. I know my situation may sound a lot better than most people's here, but I can't imagine a whole lot more pain. I see myself through her eyes and can barely stand myself. I hate being so impatient but the pain and loneliness is so difficult to shake most of the time.
4. Separation? Is the devil putting these thoughts in my mind, or am I in a situation where a separation may be a good thing? I don't even think of it as a step toward divorce, but a step toward healing and perhaps a bit of "tough love." As the book says, am I at a point where I should create a crisis so she has to buck up and make a decision. Feeling so guilty and bad about myself all the time is wearing me down. I can barely imagine being able to leave the kids as my choice, but might that give us both time to heal and not dig deeper holes in our relationship? Or do I ride out the pain, stay here for the children and live this hell of marriage purgatory while she seemingly takes her time making her decision? Ugh ...
I pray for all who come here to find some peace. Peace comes to me rarely, but I turn to God and try my best to live the way he wants me to. Chip-- praise God for your development and accomplishments--I pray the God changes your husband's heart and he realizes his sins and repents.
God bless you all. ![]()
Jaybee45 and Chipfishing Jay _ I can relate how you feel. I have been there done that. Its only normal to feel the way you feel when you LOVE someone. As a woman, your wife still being at home tells me some things, 1. She still is there because she has no where to go and can not afford an apartment by herself, 2. She still has love for you and somewhere in the back of her mind has hope that the marriage can be fixed. All I know is that we CAN NOT do it alone. Trust me. I have tried and it did not work. We need to seek help and counseling from spiritual men of God. You as the Leader of the home need to keep searching for that help. You can call Focus on the Family and talk to a Christian Counselor to see what they advice. They also can refer you to a “local” counselor in your area where you can keep getting counsel as to what steps can you keep taking.
Sometimes we have to do “the possible” and God will take care of “the impossible”. Its like if you need a job and you stay home praying and praying and praying to God to help you get a job, yet you don’t go out there and look for a job, how can the Lord open the door for the job if you are at home?? If a man does not take care of his wife’s emotional needs it makes a woman feel empty and alone. Its sad that she has waited this long to take action. She should have expressed her feelings to you over and over until maybe you could have gotten it. At least you have admitted that her reasons are real and significant. Which is a good start. Some men don’t even want to admit they did anything wrong. Have you seen the movie “Fire Proof” ?? Sometimes resources like this one gives you ideas to try to win her heart again. It’s a matter of winning her heart again. OMG and if she has “agreed” to participate in the Retrouvaille program that is a very good sign. Trust me Im a woman. Give it time. Take one step at a time. Let her get there to Retrouville. Maybe things might change there.
But I would advice you to start praying now for the Lord to touch her heart and for the Lord to intervene. Even fast if you have to. Fasting is “very” powerful. She is very hurt right now and that is how we act when we are hurt. But if he has agreed to go to the program this is very good. Give her the space she needs until she gets there. At least she is still home even if at times you don’t talk. This is very good. “Someone” has to take the “first” step to get this marriage healed. You are the head of the househould. Why should “you” withdraw if you say that she has “valid” reasons for feeling the way she feels? ? Be her friend and emotional support “without” any sexual actions. At this time that is the last thing on her mind. I guess she is trying to look for emotional healing and she needs your help to find it. With that comes saving the marriage. I truly believe that if “LOVE” in still in “both” of your hearts this marriage can be saved. Trust me I have been there done that and we have been married for 28 years.
You are 100% right in that the Lord would “definitely” want a marriage to stay together not divorce. Try not to be impatient if you still have not gone to the Retrovaille program. Lets see what happens. She has to start building the trust in you little by little. It takes time. And if you feel guilty of the things you have done, then give her the time she needs to heal. Try to be consistent in treating her very nice and loving her and helping her and maybe buying her flowers. The Fire Proof movie sure gives you plenty of ideas. Even a candle light dinner. Now I don’t know if you have a friend that can help you to watch the kids. Impatience is going to make the situation worst. Sometimes we have to Let Go and Let God. I have experienced that when I do that, that is when things start happening. The bible says that we should not be anxious of nothing. That the Lord has it all under control.
As far is separation is concerned. I have heard that “sometimes” that does help. But I feel that you should try to find out what does she really would like to see happen. Then you both come to an agreement which way to go to make the marriage work. Have you read the book, “The Power of a Praying Husband”?? that is another great resource. Little things like this will give you insight as the man of the household and “help” you trust in the Lord more and make you strong while the healing process is happening. The bible says the Faith comes by the hearing of the word. So the more you “hear” from the Lord the more your faith will become stronger. To me the Retroville program is a big step towards fixing your marriage.
Chipfishing - I totally agree with you. What you did is the right Tough Love action that sometimes we as woman have to make for the men to wake up and smell the coffee. I have been there done that and has worked for me many times. I took the time alone to really get closer to God and it does make you much stronger. I can tell the Lord is working with you. He did the same to me. I started reading the book, “The Power of a Praying Woman” by Stormie Omartian and this book helped me a lot too. The bible says that “every…house divided against itself will not stand” (Matthew 12:25). You cant have peace if you are living in a discord with anyone in your home. If your husband decides that he does want to change and come back home, I “highly” recommend marriage counseling. That was one of my boundaries when my husband wanted to come back home and I made sure he kept his word. We BOTH went every week. I did the same thing, I made a decision to move forward without him and started working on myself to become spiritually strong and left him in God’s hands. I felt the same thing you did the same kind of break through and had “total” peace inside of me and I Let Go and Let God handle the rest. You are on the right path in having confidence that you have confidence that God will work on him as he is working in you. We cannot put our life on hold while waiting. We do need to move on and be strong and dependent in the Lord.
All take care and God Bless.
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Jay~
I understand where you are in your marriage. I was living with a very emotionally gone husband for almost a year. The rejection was at times unbearable. I found that my husbands leaving helped me to find myself again. I could not be myself when walking on eggshells all the time. I was afraid of unsetting him and then him wanting to leave and be with "her". He truthfully was essentially gone already, but his body was here. After he moved out, although devastated I began to see things clearer. The healing began and I could have a healthy relationship with my girls. Before I was obsessed with my husbands actions and my girls suffered because I wasn't there for them like I should have been . Unfortunately, the truth about my husbands affair came out to all after he left The relationship my husband now has with his daughters is very rocky and distant now. The lie was uncovered and no more secrets for me to keep. I feel that because you do not have another person in your marriage you are sitting in a far better place to have God turn things around. Still, there is something keeping your wife from you. It is the enemy you are battling. He has her captive and confused about your marriage.
When I was at a crossroads and confused about what to do, my pastor had given a sermon on praying for a word from God. I did this after I found out my husband was now living with the other woman. I was devastated and said .." OK God, is this the time I need to divorce him and move on? " I prayed for a "word" and got a clear word ..."wait". I asked this same question many times over the next few days and weeks and it got to the point that I could "see" the word "wait" before I even got through one word of my prayer. I have heard God's voice many times since that morning in Sept. He has told me other things too. I began a journal and it has been a blessing to see how His direction and comfort have gotten me through this. I do not hear Him everyday now, but I still ask Him to show me another word if He wants me to go another direction. I am still "waiting" and being obedient. I must admit even though I have joy and peace during this time, it doesn't mean that I do not experience the "pain" of my husbands actions. I still cry when I hear things about him and her thorough our daughters. I miss him and his love for me. I guess I do not want to paint a picture of a always "happy" woman "waiting for God to move. I still am sad and do cry when my husbands actions are hurtful to me and our daughters.
The guilt you are feeling is not from God. God understands rejection as he was rejected by those He died for many times. He still is rejected today even though He loves all His children. Seek God's word for your direction. I promise you will hear it I never listened for His voice before this mess. It has been an amazing thing to "hear" back when praying to him. For me it is when I first awake in bed and begin talking to Him before I get up and start my day. He is my best friend and I am so grateful. That patience thing is a struggle I have been dealing with too. Persevering develops patience so.....on we go RIGHT!!!
Again seek the Lord in choosing to separate. I'm not sure what I would do. Although separation may give you both a little temporary relief, your problems will not go way and you will have less contact and communication time . This will hurt your children too. I guess I would try to move on as if she was not in your home. Be kind but do not seek her out for anything you need. Go to God for all your needs. Ask for Him to show you what you need to work on. Go to Christian counseling alone. Learn to love Jay!! Love your wife but from a distance for now. Have her come to you. Trust God and know that He can change your wife and that it has NOTHING to do with what you do or do not do She has stuff inside her that needs to get worked out. Although she may try to blame you in some way, it is because she is not ready to deal with it herself. Blame is always easier. I know this because I blamed my husbands affair only for our problems. God set me straight though and now I see my issues too. I will pray for you Jay, your wife, and your children. You can do it with God's supernatural strength. Do not let the enemy win!! God can do anything!!
God Bless, Stacie (Chipfishing)
PS Thank you for your prayers too