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TR Community Member 9 posts since
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Jan 21, 2010 2:33 PM

Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

My 15 year old told us he is gay about 10 months ago.  We went to a christian counselor for 6 months at the suggestion of our pastor.  We are no longer going, my husband is completely freaking out and is pulling away from our church.  We went to our elders and pastor for guidance, and basically were told to see a counselor.  the elders set up a mentor for my son to talk to, which was great at first or so i thought.  My son has since told me he did not open up to the guy because he felt that everything he said was being reported back to the elders, which is was.  The mentor just stopped calling my son, which is fostering his feeling of the church not wanting anything to do with him.  He was asked to leave the youth group until he would sign a contract saying he wouldn't talk to anyone at youth group about his gender confusion, which he would not do.  He is going to a bible study facilitated by an older gentleman (who is very Godly) and is enjoying it.   He has not turned his back on God, but thinks he can be both gay and a christian.  We have biblical conversations about that, but he is adament.  I don't want to leave my church and look for a new one, because i am very involved with the womens minisitries and i am getting lots of support.  Unfortunately my husband has never been one to seek out male friendships and works long hours (usually 6am to 7pm) so he is just getting angrier and angrier and i don't know what to do. Please help.

Tags: faith, teens, communication, crisis, homosexuality
andrew Community Member 18 posts since
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1. Jan 25, 2010 4:24 PM in response to: TR
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

Oh wow

 

Firstly, I really hurt for you.  It is not an easy situation to deal with.

 

Secondly, I really admire your son.  Your church pretty much did everything wrong in this situation and yet he is still interested in Bible study and God.  That shows an incredible faith on his part.

 

I'm sorry to be this blunt, but the concern here should not be how much support you are getting from that church but whether your son is getting any - and in everything you wrote he is not only not getting support but he is getting the message that the church doesn't want him there.  If what you wrote is correct, the message he is picking up is, unfortunately, very accurate.

 

The one redeeming quality is his enjoyment of the Bible study you mentioned.  If the gentleman who is leading that Bible study is taking on the role of unofficial mentor for you son then I might hesitate to move him away from that church.  I would, however, immediately begin looking for a youth group in another church that would be more welcoming of your son.  It should be a church which holds firmly to the teaching of the Bible yet has a forgiving and gracious attitude in which your son can be open with his questions and not afraid of being shut down.

 

Also, check with Exodus International for a list of counselors and ministries in your area that deal with this subject.  Even if your husband and son refuse to go to counseling, you need to be getting one on one advice on how to handle the situation.  If I could also recommend one of their resources to you, their "truth and tolerance" Bible study is an excellent one on a teen level.  You might also order the leaders guide for it and share it with the youth group leader in whatever youth group you find for you son.  There is also a DVD that goes with it called "The Question of Homosexuality."

 

As a person who grew up same sex attracted myself, I know how tough it is for your son to fight temptation and how it hurts to be rejected as he has been by that church.  But I also know the power of God's love and forgiveness to produce change.  It is good you are having biblical conversations with him about the subject.  Keep that up.  But be aware that it is your love for him and forgiveness demonstrated by a church as the family of God that will give him the strength he needs to fight this temptation.  So show him your love and find a group of Christians which can do the same.
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2. Jan 25, 2010 4:27 PM in response to: andrew
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

Dear TR,

I had prepared a rather lengthly response to you before seeing the response that you have already received from andrew. Thank you, andrew!

As a father of an adult gay child, I would be happy to speak further with your husband.  He can contact me in the Counseling Department.  A father's consistent, loving presence is so very important at this time.  We would like to be of help to him, as well as to your son.

Jim, Ph.D.

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Lostmom Community Member 19 posts since
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3. Jan 27, 2010 7:54 AM in response to: TR
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.
Dear TR - I know this overwhelming for you both, my husband and I are living the same nightmare.  It was a year ago that I discovered the very same thing with my then 16yr old daughter.  I just posted my shortened version of the story in the Parenting Community, "My daughter's dark secret".  Please feel free to review it as I am sure you will identify and find some common ground there.  I remember doing a lot of crying in the beginning.  My heart was broken and I was experiencing so many emotions.  I still am.  There is one emotion that really unnerved me was the feeling of loss...I was actually in mourning as though I had truly lost her.  The child I had been raising and loving for the last 16 yrs was not the same child.  All of this time a secret life was happening behind the scenes and I didn't know it.  All of this time I was being told things by her that were not true.  It was like living with a stranger.  I could see and still do see a great deal of torment in her eyes.  I see an emotional and spiritual war raging in her.  She often looks so lost and lonely.  I truly believe she misses her connection with us but is unwilling to admit or give in to it.  Teens spend a lot of time trying to prove they are right, no matter what the topic is.  I believe that once a teen makes a decision, no matter how crazy it is, they feel they need to stand by that decision, support it, find excuses for it.  We also tried the Christian counseling and that did not have the affect on her that we had hoped.  She was too good at manipulating the sessions, way too skilled at diverting the focus elsewhere.  Just as your son is doing, our daughter too thinks she can live this lifestyle and still be a Christian.  We've had many exhaustive conversations about that.  Our pastor is endlessly supportive to us and he has taken the time to meet with her and will still make that time.  He was the one that encouraged us to never stop coming to church because of this, no matter what others may think or say.  He further encouraged us to make sure our daughter knew that church and youth group attendance was not an option, it was a given.  I know it's hard and you feel alone...but whatever you do, be steadfast about your connection with the church.  This entire situation is not only a challenge for your son, but also for you and your husband.  We have discovered that God is at work within us just as much as He is working on our daughter.  We are learning a great deal about ourselves through all of this...out of destruction comes opportunity.  Opportunity to learn and build on your relationship with Christ.  It seems like this whole ordeal will never end, but it will.  We can't make it happen, it's not in our control.  This is not your fault (it took me a long time to learn that one).  I've found an excellent resource in Harvest USA (www.harvestusa.org).  I've been emailing with their Director of Female Ministries.  She is really awesome and I great source of comfort.  This is a challenging and painful time, gather your prayer warriors and get the support you need.  Oh!  And just as important...make time with your husband - just the two of you.  You both need some time alone, to stay connected, to keep strong.  Don't lose sight of eachother. :-)
Lostmom Community Member 19 posts since
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5. Jan 29, 2010 8:16 PM in response to: TR
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.
I am so glad that you were able to find some comfort in my response.  It is disheartening to know that so many parents are dealing with this very issue, yet at the same time it is comforting to know that I am not alone.  It's been a year now for us and I don't cry as much but there are moments where it all bubbles up.  I have so much going on outside of this issue.  Sometimes there is just nothing left of me.  I feel empty and lost.  I can't even pull out family videos or photos because it is too painful.  The feeling of loss because overwhelming when I look at old photos...so I don't.  She was always my beautiful angel, so sweet, so funny, so incredibly smart and witty.  But she is only a shadow of her former self now.  She has almost re-created herself, a whole new personality.  I'm not sure what you've been seeing in your son but we have seen some things that are serious and require professional attention.  She has extreme highs and lows, a lack of care about her appearance, emotional manipulation, extreme anger, and self injury.  I am very concerned that there is something medically going on that we have yet to address.  I made an appt for her to be seen by a behavioral specialist and this will be a two hour session.  I pray this will be worth it.  I would almost feel comforted in knowing there was a medical reason for her extreme behavior and poor decision making.  It is absolutely a wonderful thing that your boys still attend a bible study...that alone is huge!  God is taking every opportunity to speak to them.  My daughter still attends church and youth group but my fear is that her heart is not in it anymore.  She has lost her spiritual connection and desire to be under God's wing.  I am also so glad to read that you and your husband find time alone to stay connected.  This is a major stressor for marriages and we've got to stick together, to fight together against the evil that is nipping at the heals of our children.  Please let me know what you think of the Harvest website.  The email contacts are listed on the site and they are very good about responding.  I am encouraged by their support and knowledge of the sexual brokenness of the world we live in today.  Stay in touch!  Praying for you!
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7. Feb 2, 2010 9:53 AM in response to: TR
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

Dear TR:  I agree whole heartedly…this is a topic that is not well understood or given the compassion it needs by those you spend time with normally.  Those of us who are believers tend to feel even more alone while dealing with a topic such as this as it is still a very unnerving subject for most church goers.  It’s unnerving for me too and I wish I knew if other parents in my own church were experiencing what I am.  I would not feel so different from everyone else.  I would not feel as though everyone is looking at me and my family every time we walk through the church doors.  Granted, no one has turned us away or made us feel uncomfortable, but you just feel like you the white elephant in the room.  I am so glad you looked at the Harvest website.  It is too far for me to travel to, but throughout the year they will hold local seminars for parents.  I will check into Exodus as well, maybe they are closer.  The fact that you are going to attend one of their meetings is huge!  I used to say that I was afraid to open Pandora’s box, I didn’t want to keep sharing this story over and over, but then it became almost therapeutic.  I am on the fence when considering that any of this is a result of a psychiatric or medical issue.  My heart tells me that the struggle with sin is what causes behavioral changes, it causes mood change.  The battle within is like a war-zone…I’ve been there myself.  I struggled with a major sin issue for years and it changed everything about me.  It made me angry, it caused me to react in ways that were not me, it created deep levels of sadness and destructive behavior.  So even though I did not experience the same battle, I did experience something that was equally difficult.  Control was an issue for me too!  I always had to be in control.  God has taught me many lessons about that.  I now let go of that control so much easier than I ever have.  I am not in charge, the timing is not mine.  I am grateful and most glad to keep in touch.  There is great hope in numbers!  Praying for you! J

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9. Feb 10, 2010 11:28 AM in response to: TR
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

Dear TR - Here we sit, in the middle of our second snow storm in a week!  It started last night around 7pm and won't end until sometime late tonight.  We expect to see 18-24 inches by the time it ends.  So, good time for me to catch up on emails!  Thanks for providing the update on the meeting you attended.  I looked up Exodus and unfortunately there are no meetings in my area or state.  I did look through the site and it seems to carry even more information than Harvest USA.  Solid Christian resources like these organizations are so important.  Being able to work through your thoughts and feelings in a safe zone like the one you participated in is something all of us could benefit from.  Through all of this I keep wondering what God is trying to teach me.  Same sex attraction is affecting more and more families in seemingly overwhelming numbers.  It is so sad.

 

How are things going at home between all of you?  Do you see any changes in his general behavior at home?  Is he angry at times, does he lash out?  My daughter has a very angry side to her since this whole thing exploded.  She used to be so happy, fun loving, very humorous.  Now she is critical, mean, angry, self absorbed.  She will try to manipulate conversations, hide things from us, attempt to lie and then cover it up.  She is only concerned with one person - the other girl.

 

I was also wondering if your son has told you "who" he likes.  My daughter is very protective of this other girl.  This other girl has been in relationships before and from what I know, none of them worked out well and did not last very long.  Now she has roped my daughter into her world and made it all look so magical.  This girl also has the full support of her parents to live this way.  Her mother especially supports it and will say things about my daughter that completely unnerve me, like references about their future.  So many times I have wanted to meet them in person to help them understand my position as a Christian parent, but I know it would fall on deaf ears.  I've even written a letter to them, but never sent it.  This other girl has brought out a side in my daughter that is dark.  They write things to each other that would rival an R rated movie.  I have addressed this behavior with my daughter and told her that it is unacceptable and anything that I find will be shredded.  I also took her cell phone away from her when we found out.  I knew this was her direct link to the other girl.  The home phone and internet are also restricted.  We've done as much as we can to make this difficult for them, hoping this other girl would get so sick of it that she would give up.

 

I continue to stand firm on the house rules.  There are boundaries in place for a reason.  There are days that I am so mentall, emotionall, and spiritually drained.  Days where I feel like there is nothing left of me to give.  Days where I just want to pretend that none of this is happening.  I keep praying for God's intervention...

Lostmom Community Member 19 posts since
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10. Feb 18, 2010 6:02 PM in response to: Lostmom
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

TR - How are things going?  Haven't seen any updates lately and was just hoping everything was ok.  Wondered if you had been to any more meetings.  Things here are status quo aside from how things exploded last Friday which I added to my post (My daughter's dark secret...).

 

The one thing that I am curious to ask you and other parents is have any of you told your parents or other family members...does anyone outside of your immediate home know what is going on in your life?  Right now, the grandparents do not know.  We have been struggling with whether or not we should share what is going on.  On one hand my mother in law is a prayer warrior and her faith is stronger than anyone I know.  To have her in the loop might be a most positive thing.  But, then there is my father in law - who is quick to anger.  I worry about that.  Just wondering how everyone else is dealing with this part of things.

 

- Lostmom

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13. Feb 19, 2010 8:16 PM in response to: TR
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

Dear TR - I hope you are feeling better and it's nothing serious.  It was good to see an updated post from you, thank you!  Hearing from your son that there is indeed a person of interest and to hear him go on about their connection and how it all came about has got to be unnerving for both of you.  I feel that way every day, knowing that my daughter is in the same school with this other girl.  They have a class together!  All of the computers in our house are password protected.  She can't log on to access anything without permission and even then she gets limited amounts of time.  Does your son have full access to a computer?  Do you block certain websites or content?  We've done that.

 

There are good days and BAD days.  The bad days are really aweful.  It feels like I am being hit from all sides with no break at all.  No matter what I do, how I try to be a good mom, put into place and practice the boundaries kids need, it just never seems to be good enough.  Even if I quit my job and spent all of my time focused on my kids, I would still never even scratch the surface of what God plans to do.  I NEVER thought I would be this lost, this confused, this seperated from what I thought being a mom was all about.  When she was born, her face was absolutely gorgeous.  It was this soft, peaceful, angelic face with these beautiful dark eyes and dark hair.  She was amazing.  Her entry into the world changed our lives.  We had a purpose, God had given us a gift.  Now, I feel so very far from all of that as if it was just a dream.  I can't even look through her baby book or old photos without crying.  I know it sounds a little crazy but this is how I feel right now.

 

Just like you, I too had always been a major control freak.  I felt I had to be the one to impart any change at all.  I had to make things happen.  I'm not like that any more.  I learned a lot of lessons about that and now I just really do my best to go with the flow and give it all up to God.  I still need to be reminded to give it up...but not nearly as much as I used to be.  So, I can totally understand where you are coming from.  I also feel badly that you seem to be alone a lot through this...your husband is away a lot and that must be so hard on you.  I know I could not manage any of this without my husband.  He is my rock.  When I am overwhelmed, he knows it and he steps in.  Kind of like a body guard!

 

I'm not sure what we will do about telling family members.  It's something we have been talking about a lot and just haven't gotten to a place of decision yet.

 

Still praying for you!

- Lostmom

andrew Community Member 18 posts since
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14. Feb 22, 2010 10:52 AM in response to: TR
Re: Help, my 15 year old son told us he is gay and i don't know what to do now.

Dear TR,

 

wow - from your last 2 it looks like a lot has happened both bad and good.

 

A couple of thoughts jump to mind.

 

Firstly, yes, there are more kids than your son who struggle with this situation in your church.  I can guarantee that.  when I was in high school 4 of the 6 kids in my class in our congregation were same-sex-attracted and the adults never knew.  However, if your pastor and/or youth group leaders are willing to listen then there may be another direction for you besides finding another church.  That is, instead of finding another church, you might be able to use this as a time to help your son learn to forgive.  As you yourself found out, Christians often say the right things and then hardly talk to you again.  As much as this happens to you, it will be even more common for your son over the coming years.  He will need to understand why that happens and learn to forgive.  Such people really aren't meaning to be hurtful.  Unless they have been through this or have had a family member go through this they just don't know what to do and wind up doing nothing or the wrong thing (the same is true of your pastor).  Your son does need to learn how to forgive, be patient, be polite and explain to others what he is feeling inside and what he needs from them.  Usually people's responses come from the best intentions.  They want to help but don't know how and so they are confused about what to do.  If your son can learn to be as understanding of them as he wants them to be of him, he will find life will not only be a lot smoother for him but the path to healing will be more attractive and easier.  So, if your pastor and youth group leaders are willing to learn, staying in that church might be something to consider - especially since your son does enjoy that particular Bible study.  If they are unwilling to learn, however (and there are many out there like that) then continuing your search for a new church would be advisable.

 

Secondly, I know it is hard for you when your son tells you he is attracted to one boy or another.  But, if this helps, he has chosen a much healthier way of dealing with this than was open to me and my friends 30 years ago.  To some extent, though I hate to say it, we have the gay community to thank for this option rather than the Church.  What I mean is that when I was a kid no boy dared to tell his parents if he were dealing with this issue.  As one guy at the last Exodus conference said, "growing up homosexual is like growing up in a dark, lonely, scary place."  It really does feel like you are growing up in a closet, all alone.  So, when I was a kid you had two choices.  You could hide your temptations and pretend you were straight until you got away from home and then secretly start taking part in the gay subculture.  Those of my friends who chose that route wound up bitter and angry at the church and caused major damage to their parents when they finally told their mom or dad that they had a "boyfriend."  Or you could chose the route I took, commit to purity but put on a mask, pretend to be someone you weren't and try to be nice to everyone to make them like you. The problem with this route is that "I love you" will never make it past the mask you wear.  To this day, every time my mother tells me she loves me at the end of a phone call I can't help but wonder, "but would you love me if you knew who I really was?"

 

As hard as it is for you right now, your son has let you see the real person.  He has shown you the hardest, worst part of himself.  And he is even talking to you about who he is attracted to - which is rather amazing.  Yes, it's tough right now.   But here is the good news.  Because he is not wearing a mask around you, he really hears you when you say I love you.  And you are taking the situation in exactly the right direction by encouraging friendship instead of "love" with the other boys.  You would never have had the chance to do that if he had not told you how he felt.

 

Or, to put it another way, your son is where the tax collectors were.  Unlike the Pharisees who hid behind the masks of good works, the sins of the tax collectors were open.  They could not hide.  Everyone knew what they had done and what they were.  So when Jesus offered forgiveness they were ready.  When he offered friendship, they were excited.  They were open and genuine about their sin so when Jesus said, "I love you," it really meant something to them and produced repentance, faith and change in them.  Isn't this really what Jesus asks of all of us, that we be open before Him?  That we open the deepest, worst, most awful place of our heart to Him so that His forgiveness can really reach us?

 

I would say that God is already powerfully answering your prayers and intervening by leading your son to be open and to tell you about the boys he is attracted to.  So, keep praying, keep the boundaries up, keep pointing your son to friendship and to the Bible.  God is already working and He is faithful.  He will continue to work in your sons' life.

 

One suggestion for your husband:  Men get nervous when there is nothing they can do to "fix" things.  So, it might help to have something specific he can do.  So here is what I am suggesting to a family in my church who suspects their son may be struggling with this issue.  It's worth a shot and can't hurt anything

 

step 1:  Your husband should find an activity he and your son will both enjoy.  It should be masculine but does not have to be overly so.  It should be something your son really likes so that he is unlikely to turn his dad down when asked to go with him.  It could be attending a car race or a demolition derby or watching a horror movie or playing a moderately violent video game.  It can even be going to an amusement park or rock concert.  It absolutely should not be a quiet activity like going to the zoo as silence puts too much pressure on men to "talk" rather than "do."  And for the purpose of this activity doing something with his dad is much more important than talking.  It should probably be something that does not require a lot of emotional interaction between them as that would likely scare your son off if he and his dad are not real close right now.  (If your son wants to bring a friend along, by the way, that would probably be ok as it is always nice for a boy to hear another boy say, "wow, your dad is cool."  However, it should not include your other son - your husband should come up with another, equally enjoyable activity to do with your other son during the same week so that each boy has his own time with dad)

 

step 2: Your husband should not bring up the topic of homosexuality or any other emotional topic during the activity.  If your son brings up the topic, answers should be brief, honest and positive and should put off more discussion for another time.  The point is that your son and his father need to spend time together focussing on an activity, not analyzing their relationship.

 

step 3: At some point during the preparation for the activity, you should say something that makes it obvious you do not want to take part because you are a woman and this is a man's activity (but don't put it that bluntly or your son will catch on).  About a video game, for instance, you can say, "I just don't see what you guys like about things like this - all that blood and gore make me sick."  Or, if they go to a demolition derby, "I just can't see what you guys find attractive about all the noise and destruction and exhaust."  Just make sure that the concept of "you guys" is linked to the concept of "mom won't do this cause she's too prissy."

 

step 4: During the activity his dad should touch him in masculine ways a few times.  A "man hug" of a quick arm around the shoulder and squeeze briefly then let go, a punch on the arm, dad playfully messing his son's hair, a chest bump if appropriate - your husband will know what I mean.

 

step 5: If a ride home is involved they should not discuss homosexuality - your son should not feel that an activity with is dad is a means to "trap" him into lecturing him about the issue.

 

Basically the point is that your husband needs to invite your son into the world of men in an enjoyable, nonconfrontational manner.  Your son needs to get the message, "Dad and I are doing this cause we are guys.  mom is not doing this cause she's a woman."

 

What i am suggesting is that your husband react to your son in the way Christ reacted to the tax collectors.  Have you ever noticed He never said one word to them about their sins?  When He did mention their sins in a sermon, he hit the whole community even harder and told his listeners they were as sinful as the tax collectors.  He never talked about hell when speaking with the tax collectors.  He just spent time with them.  His presence was far more powerful than any sermon or lecture.  Your husband can use the same technique with his son and get across to him, "no matter what you do, you are my son and I enjoy spending time with you."  He doesn't have to have the answers or fix things.  His presence can be the answer.

 

I don't know if any of those thoughts help.  I just know that there are so many things God can and will do for your son and through him and this time may be the preparation for some pretty amazing things in your son's life.   God does promise to work ALL things to the good of those He has called, not just the pleasant or happy things (how frustrating that must be for Satan when God takes his most devious plans to hurt us and turns them around to our good instead.) God really really means what He says when he tells us that nothing in heaven or on earth can separate us from the love of God in Christ.

 

There is no magic wand, of course.  Your son will make mistakes and may fall into sin.  He may even, for a long time, choose to live in ways you can not approve of.  Just keep telling him you love him.  Keep showing him that you care.  And, above all, remember that God loves to go looking for lost sheep and your son will never go anywhere that God can not find him.


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