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ForumModerator Community Member 236 posts since
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Jun 11, 2008 10:39 AM

06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

How do you feel a pastor should dress in the pulpit?

ThunderCVR Community Member 13 posts since
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1. Jun 12, 2008 11:32 AM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

Clean and neat...and no less than informal business attire.

kramnalap Community Member 58 posts since
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2. Jun 12, 2008 12:59 PM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

Sorry, but I can't resist this ... I don't think a pastor should dress in the pulpit, he should dress at home.

lizpooze Community Member 2 posts since
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3. Jun 12, 2008 3:09 PM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

We have been Assemblies of God Pastors for 48 yrs. Perhaps we are from the "Old School" but continue to believe a congregation deserves a Pastor in the Pulpit who dresses in suit, shirt & tie. If the sports world feel like their coaches, etc. should dress the part, why shouldn't we? I believe God deserves our best dress, and so do the attendee's in our churches. It commands respect. Why wait until they die to conduct their funerals to "dress up?"

robertmoss Community Member 1 posts since
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4. Jun 13, 2008 1:13 AM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

I am a mid-life guy who grew up under the philosophy that church is the "best place" you ever go. My parents taught me that dressing nice for church was a sign of respect and reverence for the One we go to worship.My Mom used to tell me that we shouldn't have a lesser standard of attire for going to worship God than going to visit the President in the White House. So, for most of my ministry as a pastor I lived out that expression by preaching in a business suit. I felt comfortable in that garb and liked the image of being a professional in my job. I have friends who are executives ...and I tried to adopt the image of being a good "executive" as a minister.I have had to change my thinking, however.  The culture has shifted into the belief that wearing a business suit to church is kind of phony. Now the belief seems to be that it is inauthentic to "dress up" in church. I guess it is thought of as pretentious.Well, as a fifty something guy it is a big stretch for me to wear worn jeans and a t-shirt for preaching. (I grew up on a farm ...and I guess I look in the mirror and look like a farmer in that outfit).  So I have reduced it down to some golf slacks and a polo shirt ...or in the winter an open collar dress shirt and a vest.  I am okay with that.  "I am willing to become all things to all people that I may win some." --Apostle Paul

Twinsfan1 Community Member 94 posts since
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5. Jun 13, 2008 9:32 AM in response to: robertmoss
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

Sorry, but I find absolutely no Scriptural requirement or principle for dressing up for church - pastor or attendee.Priests in the OT had their special clothes, but that priesthood ended with Jesus' sacrifice.There is no mention of Jesus wearing anything other than the "normal" attire of His day.  There are no directions in Scripture for "how to dress for church," only mentions of modesty.I dress in a shirt and slacks.  I haven't worn a suit and tie in years, and have not had one single complaint from my congregation in that time.Robertmoss describes the attitude he grew up with that if we dress up for the president, we should dress for God.  I heard it as, "You'd dress up to see the President - you should do it for the King of Kings!"I understand the sentiment, but it is flawed.  First of all, dressing up for an earthly ruler is a man-made standard, not a Biblical one.  Second, God sees me in every situation - including the bathroom taking care of bodily functions; no dressing up there!  Third, we are not merely God's subjects - we are His children.  I don't make my children dress up to talk to me or come into my presence, and nothing in Scripture implies we should do the same to come into our Father's presence.In my office I'm usually wearing jeans and a shirt, and sometimes my Minnesota Twins cap.  I'm a normal guy who happens to lead a church.  You might be surprised how often this allows me to visit with people about Jesus - simply because I'm not wearing some "spiritual uniform."Too often pastors are seen as nothing more than stuffed shirts filled with hot air.  And also there are plenty of pastors who wear the garb and are unChristlike in how they related to people in town.  Ask anyone who has had to wait on a pastor in a restaurant.  Some are just down-right mean and nasty (I know - I used to wait tables...).  And when these people reject Christ and the church, it's chalked up to "well, the enemy has blinded them to the truth..."For these people, wearing a suit and introducing yourself as a pastor brings in a lot of baggage (even if it is unwarranted on your part).  But if you are seen as a regular guy who is Christlike in attitude, then as they find out you're a pastor it goes a long way to being able to influence that person for Christ.As robertmoss quotes Paul saying, "I am willing to become all things to all people that I may win some." --Apostle PaulIf I lived in an area where to reach more Christ meant wearing a suit, I'd do it in a heartbeat (besides, my wife thinks I look good in a suit! !i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif|src=i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif|border=0!).  I'd also be KJV only, ditch praise choruses, force my daughters to wear dresses and have long hair, as well as force my sons to keep their hair above their ears and not play Star Wars video games.  If that's what it took here, that's what I would do.  But the opposite is true here, and I'm more concerned with winning people to Christ than living up to a non-Scriptural standard.But again, the bottom-line is this: there is no Scriptural direction for pastors dressing up for church and therefore to impose a standard (other than modesty, which IS Scriptural) is not good.Brian

wokado Community Member 1 posts since
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6. Jun 13, 2008 2:58 PM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

Most pastors in my denomination wear robes or albs in the pulpit. The robe identifies the pastor and hides his clothes so as not to draw attention to himself. I prefer to robe for our formal Sunday service but wear a Roman collar and sport coat for our informal Wednesday service.

Twinsfan1 Community Member 94 posts since
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7. Jun 14, 2008 1:03 AM in response to: Twinsfan1
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

I wanted to mention that I'm in my early 40's, came into the pastorate in my mid-30's after working in the "secular" world for all my adult life, and didn't grow up in the church.I only mention this because I don't want to give the impression that I was just some college-age person looking for an axe to grind or an excuse to give up wearing a suit.Brian

grizfcf Community Member 2 posts since
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8. Jun 14, 2008 4:59 AM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

I grew up in the day when pastors wore suits to church (I'm 53 this year).  We can look with nostalgia at the past & remember the "good old days" but I remember my pastor taking off his coat due to the heat (no A/C in our little church) & even take his tie off at times.  That was considered to be when "the anointing" came on him.  Why is that now if a pastor goes into the pulpit without a coat & tie some consider it "dressing down"?

I still wear a suit & tie to Sunday morning services, mostly due to being in a more traditional church, but I never wear one on Sunday evenings, midweek or even extra "revival" services or such.  I wear slacks & a polo/golf shirt.  I have had zero feedback in a negative way & seems to make people feel more at home & comfortable knowing I'm not uncomfortable with a suit.

At some point I will move to wearing the same on Sunday mornings.  The "argument" that we are to dress equal to professional businessmen doesn't hold water in that many of them are starting to "dress down" also.  By the way, when did we begin taking our signals on how to dress, act, or anything else by the business world, entertainment world, financial world instead of God's Word?

The Word doesn't give that sort of directions.  It seems the early church wore to "church" what they wore every other day.  I don't believe they had separate "church" clothes.

SoCalPastorsWife Community Member 14 posts since
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9. Jun 14, 2008 7:18 AM in response to: Twinsfan1
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

"Authentic" is the hip word today.  For some ministers that seems to mean that everyone should be dressed casually....however, I think as long as a minister is following their own heart for what they believe God is leading them to do and they can say I am glorifying God...then it's between them and God.

For my husband "authentic" is an in style suit and tie.  I've suggested the Hawaiin type shirt and dress pants...he looks so good in that...but, he isn't comfortable wearing that preaching.  So I admire him for being who he is...and that comes across to people.  Men in our church don't feel they have to wear what he wears and men wear anything from suits to jeans and T shirts.  I think that is COOL. 

We need all different kinds of churches and dress to reach different kinds of people.  As long as they are being reached with the gospel...and we are all obeying Him as to our part...that is what counts.

BroMark2289 Community Member 3 posts since
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10. Jun 14, 2008 7:26 AM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

I am not to look like the world, act like the world nor conform to the world.  Churches and Christians trying to "be cool or look cool" is one of the things, there are many others, that have weakened the church.  Attire represents the lifestyle of people.  "Busting a sag" represents a drug culture, numerous body piercings represent the "alternative" types, then there is gothic representing dark mysticism.  The way a person dresses speaks volumes about their lifestyle, period.
I wear a suit and tie when preaching and at a minium, a tie when at the church during the day.  Why you ask?  Because God has called me into the highest office a man can be called to, to help shepherd His children and lead the lost to His Son Jesus.  I want people to look and know that I am a pastor, not for my pride, but for access.  Many times opportunities were opened because someone knew that I was a pastor by the way I was dressed.
Most pastors who do not wear a suit in the pulpit would never thing about not wearing one when performing a wedding or funeral.  They would not want to offend the famlies.  It would appear then that they show more respect toward men than God.
A person should wear their best at church.  If their best is a white shirt and overalls, great!  Wearing your best is a sign of respect, to man and to God.
P.S. I am 46 and have been a police officer in high crime areas of a city.  I know what I am talking about when I say that your attire tells your lifestyle.

parsonrick Community Member 2 posts since
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11. Jun 14, 2008 1:09 PM in response to: ForumModerator
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

I am also in my 50s and raised with the same Sunday dress code expressed by others. To a certain extent that still lingers in my thoughts many times as I dress for church in a button down shirt and nice pants. I gave up the jacket and tie many years ago in an attempt to break from the stereotypes mentioned by twinsfan1 and in response to the many who seemed to make dressing for church like preparing for a beauty pageant. I am convinced that, for many, church is little more than a stage for showing off their latest acquisitions whether wardrobe, hairstyles, accessories or vehicle.

GadgetDad Community Member 2 posts since
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12. Jun 16, 2008 5:07 AM in response to: parsonrick
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

TwinsFan1 threw out the "scripture" card saying there's no scriptural precedence for dressing up. We gotta be careful going that route ...cause "scriptural precedence" will lead us down the path of head coverings, no worldly adornments, etc.  There is no scriptural precedence for pews or shiny gold colored offering plates, either.I guess pastors should try to serve the people they minister to by striking a good balance between what garb doesn't become a distraction for either the Christian or the non-Christian sitting in the service.Thankfully, this is becoming more and more of a non-issue as long as the pastor conveys warmth and authenticity ...no matter how formal or informal the attire.

Twinsfan1 Community Member 94 posts since
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13. Jun 16, 2008 5:25 AM in response to: parsonrick
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

BroMark,

Why is it okay to dress like a mobster or corrupt executive accountant on Sunay (i.e., suit and tie), but not like a successful businessman who wears khakis and a polo shirt?

When you go out of your office, do people assume you are a pastor because of your suit or could you be mistaken for a Wall Street executive to someone who doesn't know you?

It's not the clothes or the office that should set you apart, it's your love for Christ and service to Him.

In your context, wearing a suit and tie sounds like what you should be doing.  But it is a mistake, in my opinon, to suggest that our office demands a sort of "spiritual uniform" when Scripture indicates no such thing.

And I must take exception to your thought that those of us who don't wear suits and ties to church but do for weddings and funerals respect men more than God.  The context of these situations is different than a church service or sitting in my office or getting around town.  Also, I've done weddings where I wore an open-collar shirt and dress slacks.  The wedding party specifically asked me to not wear a suit because they didn't want every dressed up.

Please do not assign motives to my heart.

Brian

Twinsfan1 Community Member 94 posts since
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14. Jun 16, 2008 5:57 AM in response to: GadgetDad
Re: 06/13/08 -- The Pastor's Appearance

Gadgetdad,

Believe me, I agree with you.  My point is that oftentimes, unScriptural requirements are placed on people, and dress is one of them.  By throwing out the "Scripture card" I'm simply wanting to help people see that we need to not put a yoke on people that is not in Scripture.  The Pharisees were experts at that, and Jesus got all over them for that.

BTW, I am not calling anyone who disagrees with me on this issue a Pharisee! !i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif|src=i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif|border=0!

As for the adornments, head coverings, etc., those are still issues in the church today, and as long as people are following a conviction based on their understanding of Scripture about these non-essential items (as is this issue we're talking about), then I'm cool with that, and would respect that in their presence and context.


One thing I personally need to be careful about is not letting my <b>preference</b> for what some consider to be casual to become legalisticin its own right.  If I were to have the privilege of preaching at BroMark's, church, you can bet that I would dress in a suit and tie - because that's his context.  It would be rude and sinful of me to come that church and say, "I don't need to dress up so get over it!"  Also, I wouldn't ask BroMark to discard his suit if he were to come to my pulpit.

I also like your thoughts on the distraction.  I don't believe we are to call attention to ourselves by how we dress.  Again, Jesus mentions this on the Sermon on the Mount where He chastised the religious leaders for wearing long tassles and big phylacteries just to show off.

I appreciate all the responses to this.  We're obviously not going to agree on this, but I'm grateful to be able to interact with fellow servants for the Kingdom!

Brian

PS - BroMark, I hope my previous comment did not come across as disrespectful.  That was certainly not my intention and I ask your forgiveness if it came across that way.

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