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The Dreaded Budget

Posted by Suzanne_Gosselin on Oct 30, 2009 1:02:36 PM

Yesterday the office was closed for a snow storm and my husband had the day off, so we took the opportunity to work on our budget.

 

We created a budget a month ago, shortly after we returned from our honeymoon. But yesterday was the moment of truth to add up all our expenses for the month and see how we'd done. I was horrified to see we'd gone over budget by several hundred dollars in more than one category. As a single, I had a lot of discretionary income. I kept a budget but had little trouble staying within it. Not the case with our new combined financial plan.

 

After spending hours drudging through our online statements and recording and adding up every single expense from the past month, I can see why finances can become a stress point for couples. My husband sees that I spent $15 going to lunch with a girlfriend -- four times -- and $25 on my nails, and I see that he buys a morning snack each day. It could be easy to blame one another for blowing the budget. Thankfully, we went into our budget planning with lots of grace,  realizing it might take some time to break ourselves of our single spending habits.

 

And so yesterday was a good bonding time as we drank hot cocoa and strategized for where we might scrimp and save money and where we needed to increase our budget. We dreamed about the missionaries we would give to, how we would find money for Christmas gifts and get that new couch paid off. Though our first budget month wasn't exactly a stunning success, we forgave, made adjustments and recommitted to our plans to be debt free and live within our means. It ended up being three hours well-spent.

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Oct 30, 2009 1:35 PM Guest Bea  says:

Three words: Financial Peace University    

 

Sign up for a Dave  Ramsey course at a church near you. It will be the best thing you do in your first year of marriage.

Oct 30, 2009 2:16 PM looking4answrs looking4answrs    says:
I have the same problem mine has snowballed to be truthful.  My husband and I kept our finances separate for awhile and eventually shared an account, I don't want to play the blame game but, I definately have blamed him for the majority of our shortcomings on the financial picture.  I am a pennypincher and a saver he is the exact opposite, he wants to live it up in the now.  We have gone over our budget since we started sharing an account and now my savings is depleted:(, anywho I know this is a hard on going-issue.  We can agree what the budget should be...that part  isn't a problem the problem is getting him to follow the budget meanwhile I stopped purchasing anything for myself and then he ends up doubling his spending on his ....bad habbits like coffee, breakfast & video games(especially).  Staying on the budget path seems impossible for us as a couple infact I plan on making some drastic changes and just make move to go back to separate accounts.  God Bless
Oct 30, 2009 3:20 PM Guest Melanie  says:
Mint.com is a great website to keep track of a budget. You can set it up so that any time you use a debit or credit card the amount and store is automatically logged. You can also allocate however much you want for any category. The program can save a lot of time since there isn't very much you have to add yourself, and you don't have to worry about math mistakes! My husband opens the program every day to check our spending.
Oct 30, 2009 9:47 PM Guest Sara  says:
Does anyone have advice for couples wanting live debt-free, but live in cities with overpriced homes without the jobs to match?  Is the only solution to really move?
Oct 31, 2009 12:46 PM Guest Gabe  says:

In my family we take food and allocated spending money out as cash.  We leave the bills in the bank since we pay online or with check.  When we run out of cash, then thats it.  When my lunch money is out then I don't have a choice but to take whatever I have at home for lunch.  When our dinner budget is gone its rice or potatos for the rest of the month.  Its not easy, but its easier than trying to be disciplined with the debit card. Debit cards are so easy to keep spending on.

Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM thepagemage thepagemage    says in response to Sara:

It's wise financial advice to "act your wage."

 

Pray for wisdom (If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. James 1:5) and trust God. I will pray that you may boldly obey.

Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM simplelegance simplelegance    says:
We were part of a Crown class shortly after we married and it was great! We still reference some of the things we learned and feel like we budget our finances well. When we first started budgeting it would take hours to go through all the receipts and account info, but eventually we got into a good groove...it's just like working out - if you want to see a result, you have to put time into it!
Nov 5, 2009 3:33 AM Guest Leah  says:

looking4answrs: I would suggest you and your husband open a (joint) savings account. My husband and I have two accounts: one savings account, with a high interest rate, with the understanding that the money in it doesn't get touched. The other account (while technically a savings account) is what we think of as our "spendings" account - it has a much lower interest rate and is the account that our visa cards are connected to. The catch with the savings account (always a catch with high interest accounts!) is that you actually can't withdraw money - you can only transfer it into another account. This means that some fortnights, when we are low in our spendings account (eg. the fortnight we had to pay for a car service and 4 new shock absorbers) we can transfer some out of the savings account into the spendings account.

 

RE the OP: ever since I was old enough to think about marriage (or even not quite old enough!) I've always thought budgets were important. I always listened with interest at the church AGMs when the budget was discussed (or argued!) But then I discovered, just a few months ago when my husband and I were discussing the topic with my parents, that my parents did not really use a budget at all.

 

To give some context: my parents have been married 26 years; they earn an average income, paid off their first home several years ago, have re-mortgaged it to buy an investment house, tithe (or give offerings, whichever you want to call it), have a car (the second is a work-owned car) and take the family on extended (5 - 7 week) holidays every 2 or 3 years (ever since we were old enough to appreciate them) (budget holidays - normally towing a caravan!). In between these larger expenses, they do not spend willy-nilly and are responsible spenders; they do not buy brandname items (unless on special); buy groceries on special whenever possible; don't have take-out often; etc etc. It's not as if their lack of budget has resulted in bad financial decisions or positions. But they said that in the first few months of their marriage, they watched their spending and came to the conclusion it was pretty good (ie. they were not over-spenders) and they haven't really given budgeting a second thought ever since - and that was back in the day that they were both working fulltime and paying first a house deposit and then paying off a mortgage. Of course, they check their credit card statement each month to check everything looks in order, but they don't have set amounts to spend on specific categories each month - and now they're on 1.2 incomes supporting 3 kids (it was 4 when I lived there!)

 

They also don't have set "allowances" to spend like I've heard recommended for married couples - they consult each other on big expenses (eg. when they had to buy a new oven or TV because the old 20-year-old one died). But if Dad thinks the computer could do with a new monitor, or a new motherboard, he won't discuss it with Mum before ordering a new one. Mum probably discusses her "bigger" expenses with Dad more, but I think that's more to hear his opinion (because us women like to talk!) than to ask "permission". They are both bargain hunters and trust the other person to find the best deal if they think they need to replace something. I don't know if that's how they've been the entire 26 years they've been married, but it seems to work, and I've never (or very rarely) heard them argue about finances.

 

I sort of want to follow their example, but at this stage don't fully trust myself or my husband to be as dedicated as they are! We don't have a set, strict budget, but after we'd been married a few months I sat down and looked at the receipts/bank statements to figure out an average of what I should expect to spend on each "category" each fortnight/month, and I mentally keep track that way. Most of our big expenses do not fluctuate; things like car registration, rent, etc are standard from month to month. I've been pretty good at keeping our grocery bill at a standard rate - of course some fortnights it's a bit higher and some fortnights it's a bit lower, but it averages out. We also use an online tool from one of the major Australian banks (not our bank but it works with any bank account) and it keeps track of what you spend. It automatically categorises anything it can (eg. it knows that statements from "Woolworths" "IGA" or "Coles" go into the "Groceries" category, and anything with "fuel" in it goes into the "Car/Fuel" category, and anything with our landlord's name in the subject goes into "Rent"). We look at it every few months to check we haven't overspent in a certain category. But we don't get so specific that we write down every little cent we spend into an excel spreadsheet etc etc. Then again perhaps you don't need to? I don't know. It's something we work through as we go, I suppose. When we buy a house and get a mortgage I bet we'll watch our finances more closely (although I honestly don't think there are many places we would cut back in much, except perhaps for eating out).

 

Apologies for the long comment. Just my random thoughts on the topic

Nov 5, 2009 4:34 AM Guest Leah  says:

PS.

 

If you have a committment to live debt-free, how on earth are you ever going to buy a house?

Nov 9, 2009 2:03 PM Guest Suzanne Hadley Gosselin  says in response to Leah:

Leah,

 

Good point. I actually do own a house. So I mean living debt free when it comes to credit cards.

Nov 9, 2009 8:28 PM Guest EmilyM  says:
In regards to "living debt-free" and houses, we have realized that we'll have to take on a mortgage when we buy a house. In order to be mindful of scripture that tells us to not be in debt to others, my husband and I have the goal of not getting involved with credit cards or car loans, etc. and we made it a priority to pay off our student loans as quickly as we could. We live on just his salary (even though we both work) and we just save, save, save my paychecks (we used my paychecks to pay off our school loans). We're saving my current paychecks with the intent of putting down 20% on a house someday. Since we don't see how it's possible to buy a house without having a mortgage either, we decided that we'd buy a house in as responsible of a manner as we could (especially given all of the insanity surrounding mortgages during the past few years). Living off just his salary now is also giving us practice with living on one income when we have kids.
Nov 10, 2009 10:29 AM Guest Mike  says:

Good for you and Kevin!  Money is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) causes of maritial stress, and Christians are not immune.  It's good to start thinking seriously about finances.

 

Your story of the lunch/nails highlights a problem many people have with budgeting.  They start out with good intentions but a lot of the "leaks" (e.g. daily lattes, eating out, impulse buys) sinks the ship.

 

The "cash envelope" strategy taught by Dave Ramsey (FPU) and others isn't all that bad as it forces you see how much your budget is being drained and when it gets exhausted.  It isn't necessary, but it does highlight whether a budget amount is realistic or not.

 

The most important bit of advice I could suggest is that you pay off the important stuff first, automatically.  The tithes, mortgage/rent, utilities, etc.  And if other items are a high priority (e.g. to missionaries, the new couch, etc) then those should be an automatic payment.  Then you can spend the disposable income left over on lunches and nails with a clear conscience.

 

Sara,

 

I don't know what city you live in, gross income of you and your husband, or what debts you've incured (SL payments, credit card debt, etc).  If you are serious about living debt free, then you probably need to make some serious sacrifices in terms of discretionary spending.  Coffee at home instead of the Starbucks, eating in and brown bagging (this is a killer for many budgets), public transportion if feasible.  In terms of a place to live, try and live in the lowest rent place possible you both are comfortable with in terms of safety and comfort.  Then take whatever extra income you have above the basics (and I don't consider satellite TV a "basic" but ultimately that's up for you to decide), and chip away at that debt.  Start at whatever is at the highest interest rate first (usually credit card debt, then car payment, etc).  SL debt you can usually leave for last as often the rate is fairly low.

 

Once the debt mountain is conquered, you can begin to put away for that new home.

 

Finally, as a general rule, and each circumstance is different, if you have opportunites to invest with your job and they offer matching 401k's or some other benefit, you should seriously consider taking it, as it is "free money" so to speak.  But again, one needs to put priority on high debt first.

 

Good luck!

Nov 16, 2009 12:15 PM Guest Becky  says:

This has been a major adjustment for me and my new husband as well. Three months into our marriage, we're still trying to figure out what is a realistic budget for the two of us. Going into marriage, we both had ideas about how and when to spend our money, and not surprisingly, they were very different. On top of that, we're trying to plan for the future when we would like to live on one income only.

 

We've both had to exercise a lot of grace with each other in this area. But the experience has been also been one of growth for both of us. If you look at it (like every other part of marriage) as a way to grow in your personal trust and dependence on God, all the adjustment can be very beneficial.

 

Oh one more thing. @Bea ... we are doing the FPU class in January. I'm excited for what it means for us!

Nov 24, 2009 1:26 PM Guest Kami  says:
I know it's been said, but I'm going to say it again - Dave Ramsey has written and produced so many wonderful resources to help people think about their finances in a godly way. Even if you can't find a Financial Peace University class to join, do buy The Total Money Makeover. It's relatively short, and cuts to the point about how and why you should handle your finances in a particular way.
Nov 24, 2009 1:33 PM Guest EmilyM  says in response to Kami:

Or for the truly budget-minded among us, check out the book from the library.

 

I haven't actually read anything by Ramsey, but I've heard good things. I think any book that gets a couple talking about making wise decisions with money is a good place to start.