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Do you know couples who live together outside of marriage? loveround1.jpg

So do I.

In fact, the narrative has become a familiar theme, even within the Christian church: twenty- and thirty-somethings have grown sour on the institution of marriage, for all kinds of reasons. But instead of swearing off romantic relationships (after all, “Love does make the world go ‘round”), couples have decided to move in together. Give it sort of a “test-run.”

No wedding, no ring, and presumably, no worries. If it doesn’t work out (and chances are it won’t), as they say in sports, “no harm, no foul.”

But there is always harm from a moral/spiritual perspective at a minimum.

This “test-drive” logic has even inspired Mexican lawmakers to recently propose two-year “marriage” contracts. You can simply call it quits after the allotted time and avoid divorce lawyers and legal fees. rockwelllicense.jpg

There is a lot of energy and emotion wrapped up in this topic. I realize some of my readers are living together outside of marriage. Or perhaps you have adult children who are currently doing so. These observations are not intended to demean your or their character. It’s my hope that by having a loving and candid discussion about it, you – or they – might see that God’s plan for marriage provides all of us with the best chance to thrive as families.

And so, yes, cohabitation is dramatically on the rise, but not every young person subscribes to or endorses it. I’d like to introduce you to one of those people, my friend and colleague, Esther Fleece.

You might have already heard Esther on our radio broadcast this week (to listen click here). As Assistant to the President for Millennial Relations here at Focus, she speaks boldly and lovingly about God’s plan for the twenty-and-thirty-somethings in our culture. And although she might sometimes feel like it, she’s not alone, either.

Last week a few of us on the team, including Esther, traveled to the Catalyst leadership conference in Atlanta. What an exciting, energizing and encouraging event. Over 14,000 young people were gathered there. They are among the bright and rising lights of this country and our Christian faith. If you have ever lamented that America is “going to Hell in a hand basket,” chances are you haven’t spent time with this group.

I hope you’ll read Esther’s thoughtful and informative piece, which recently ran on the Washington Post “On Faith” blog. I also hope you’ll weigh in and share your thoughts about this topic. For starters, let me ask you a few questions:

·         Why do you think cohabitation is the fastest-growing family type in the US?

·         How are you as parents addressing this issue?

·         Is your church engaging young people in your community about this?

·         How do we do a better job at casting a vision for a healthier foundation in relationships?

 

‘Living together,’ unmarried? Put a ring on it!

By Esther FleeceEFphoto2.jpg

 

In the past few months, there has been a lot of buzz about the steep rise in cohabitation across America, especially among my generation of twenty-somethings. The dialogue was started by “The State of Our Unions,” the annual report on marriage in the U.S., which found that what was still referred to as “living in sin” back in 1960 has grown fifteen-fold in the years since.

 

But the issue really hit home for me personally when two couples I’m friends with moved in together. Both have religious backgrounds, which has historically been a major deterrent to cohabitation. But both also come from divorced homes –and that’s the source of much of the tension for many men and women my age between personal faith and the need, as Beyonce sings, to “put a ring on it” before living together.

Sociologists often speak of how generations are shaped by what they are denied. The millennial generation has seen and felt the heartbreak surrounding divorce. Many of us were denied a stable home environment, so we struggle with commitment -- not out of rebellion, but simply because we did not see “till death do us part” modeled by our parents. That doesn’t mean we don’t want it, though; being deprived of seeing many examples of long-lasting, unconditional love has actually caused us to desire it deeply.

The Pew Research Center has found that millennials have “the strongest desire to marry” of any generation today. An MTV poll a few years back found that 92 percent of young people 13 to 24 “definitely” or “probably” want to get married.millenial1.png

While that desire is strong, it is often matched (and beaten) by a paralyzing fear about making the jump to any commitment, especially a marriage. The meet-me-halfway point is cohabitation.

Unfortunately, cohabitation is not an answer to our longings; and it’s not a healthy preseason to marriage. Its message is, “I’d really like to take part of you. And maybe some time in the future I’ll consider taking all of you.” Ironically, that’s the very thing we’re afraid of -- a commitment-free, self-focused relationship.

As a single millennial working for a Christian organization that helps couples build strong marriages and weather the rough times that come, I understand that marriage is not easy. I also understand that often times what is best for us is not the easiest path. One certainly doesn’t need to have any religious faith to understand this. Setting religious convictions aside, social science is not erring on the positive side for cohabitation. Rather, it is displaying that cohabitation is a pale counterfeit to what is best for us relationally.

My friend and coworker Glenn Stanton reveals in his new book, The Ring Makes All the Difference, that marriage, not cohabitation, is the best option for couples – but especially for women. Research tells us (see page 117) that a woman who cohabitates before marriage will increase her likelihood of getting a husband who:

  • is less committed to her;
  • is less committed than she is to the marriage;
  • is less likely to be emotionally and practically supportive; and
  • is more generally relationally negative.

Of course, there are exceptions to every rule, but as Glenn and many other sociologists conclude, this pre-marriage experiment is not the best way to sustain a healthy relationship or to build a lifelong, lasting union “in sickness and in health.”

Cohabitation may be the fastest-growing family type in the U.S., but it is a mask to a true, authentic and committed relationship -- marriage. Living together before saying “I do” will not help lower the divorce rate, and it will certainly not ensure an unbroken heart.

In many cases, in fact, it will lead to exactly the opposite.

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Oct 12, 2011 6:17 PM Guest Mildred A.  says:

Continue as you are Esther. The only true thing that is ours is virginity

and it is ours to give, but you can only give it ONCE!

 

May God find you the right soul mate.  Yours in Christ.

Oct 12, 2011 6:36 PM Guest alice h.  says:

Esther's article is encouraging. Fortunately God gave us two children who are young adults and who honor God's plan for their

relationships before and after marriage. The research data needs to be put out there. Focus and other Christian organizations need to

flood this info into the media so they cannot ignore it.  To me as an almost 30 years married woman, the research's findings are

completely obvious. Any thing that requires little is going to yield little.  Please keep sharing the truth with anyone who will listen!

Oct 12, 2011 6:34 PM Guest Matt  says:

Esther,

I think I get what you're saying, but not 100% sure.  What about Christian couples who live together (possibly for financial reasons) prior to the wedding, but are engaged and abstaining from sex.

Thanks,

Matt

Oct 12, 2011 6:35 PM Guest Joyce  says:

Older people have financial reasons for not getting married, not a commitment reason. Widowed women lose their first husband's SSI and pensions. This throws the new couple in a poverty situation. Also, the problems with "what's yours" and "What's mine" and the children's expectations of inheritance.

What we hear is 1. We can't have children, so that is not an issue. 2. We can say our vows to each other with witnesses,and mean them, but not legalize it with the govt. Therefore the SSI and pension are saved.

This may sound like a moot issue, but for decades a wife supports her working husband's giving to the pension, and to lose it a few years after his death is cruel. A non-working woman's SSI is usually around $500/month. Not enough to live on should hubby #2 die first.

It becomes a catch-22 situation.

Oct 12, 2011 6:39 PM Guest Elisa  says:
That's a good point you make that the ironic thing about living together or "trying out" the partner before marriage, is that it may invite a "committment-free, self-focused" person and/or relationship.  Who would want that?
Oct 12, 2011 6:41 PM Guest Michelle  says:
It is so refreshing to hear of young people who still believe in the institution of marriage as it should be, and not living together before getting married, as well as saving themselves for the one they will marry.  My husband and I have been married for almost 18 years, and even that long ago, so many people questioned us about why we got married so young (21 and 22) and didn't just live together first.  It is saddening to see friends and relatives from Evangelical backgrounds and beliefs who are divorcing and then cohabitaing.  We have had to explain many things to our children that I never had to deal with when I was growing up, but have taught them the right way to view marriage.  We have let them know that even though marriage is sometimes difficult, we always choose to work it through and remain committed to each other.  Thank you to all who are getting this important message out there and living it!
Oct 12, 2011 7:28 PM Guest Dolly C.  says:

Hooray for you Esther!!

And hooray for God!! He has put this understanding in your heart, and "shown you the way oh man,  (oh woman) this is the way....walk in it."

 

Women are precious to our Lord, just as men are. However, we women have something they want, but only if the man is living for the Lord, does he want all the rest of the package as well. I completely agree with Mildred A. above, you can only give it once, and I too pray the Lord will find you the right mate, and I also pray the two of you have sense enough to wait and watch for each other!!

Oct 12, 2011 7:28 PM Guest Jeff  says:

Geat post.  As a marriage mentor, we have found that couples who don't cohabit and wait for sex until marriage are the couples who tend to know each other better (they spend more time talking vs. lusting) and have stronger marriage skills like communication, conflict resolution, common goals, wisely defined roles in life, etc.

 

Keep up the great work Esther. We have never heard a couple say they wish they hadn't waited.  We ahve seen many wo wish they had.

 

Blessings

Oct 12, 2011 6:47 PM Guest Catherine  says:

---Not that there are any guarantees....

 

I was a virgin when I got married...I didn't kiss anyone until I was engaged to my husband at 23 years of age, and we waited to have sex until after we got married.  I had very high standards in every aspect of my life.

 

All of these things you mentioned started on our honeymoon...I had no indication prior to marriage that any of these items would be an issue.

 

The first time I was struck was on our honeymoon when he was enraged that something HE bought was more expensive than he realized and I was trying to reassure him.

 

We have struggled for 14 years and one of the things that has caused my depression is my belief system that if I did everything right and by the book and honored God with my relationship that it would give me a better chance at a successful marriage.

 

Staying pure and following God with all my heart did not give me any guarantees.  The point was to obey him anyway, and remain faithful and pure after my marriage during the rejection and contempt that required extensive counselling.

 

One of his issues?  He was angry that sex didn't work the way he thought it would....we had waited until marriage and he was so disappointed and angry that it wasn't better and that I didn't have any experience and it took a while for me to figure things out in bed.

 

We don't follow God and stay pure before marriage because it will give us a better chance at a successful marriage.....we follow God's commands because it pleases him even though it may really hurt me to find out that the man I committed to and share a bed with is harsh, mean and rough and that sex wasn't worth waiting for.  There is more to life than sex, and we stay committed anyway.  Don't exalt virginity and sex too much, which Christians tend to do.  It's not the main thing, and despite a ton of counseling and a disatisfying sexual life (he is now impotent because of cancer) we find that our relationship is much better than it was when we had sex during the early years of our marriage.

 

I grew up learning that Virginity is a golden crown, that it is a great gift to give to my husband.  It wasn't.  it was horrible.  On the other hand, my mind was a greater gift to give to my husband.  The commitment to purity is a gift to God.   Exalting Virginity too much puts it on a pedastal and creates expectations that can be dashed and devastated.  Focus on God and make your purity a gift to him, not to your husband to be.

Oct 12, 2011 7:37 PM Guest Joel V.  says:
But for anyone who ignores the ONE MAIN reason not to cohabit -- That God Himself, the Creator and Sustainer of Life tells us not to --  any other reasons will be easily swept aside by rationalizations that "our case is different -- we love each other!"
Oct 12, 2011 7:14 PM Guest Debra V.  says:
Thank you for this "breath of fresh air"!  It is so sad to see our youth being so boldly deceived- whether it be from Hollywood celebrities' influences, the media, parents' lack of commitment, friends or just fear of their own.  God knows His perfect plan is best for us....now if only we can get our youth to believe it as well.
Oct 12, 2011 7:15 PM Guest single guy  says:

I don't doubt the research, but it's based on those who go on to get married and doesn't mention how many couples break up before marriage.  You may want to back up a step and address why get married in the first place?  Unless kids are coming into the picture, why isn't cohabitation good enough?

Oct 12, 2011 7:38 PM Guest gabrielle a.  says:

My heart breaks as my 25 year old daughter lives with her boyfriend and I can see the negative aspect.

If she just knew and didn't live as if it is okay. She is missing out on God's best for her and her boyfriend too!

Oct 12, 2011 7:39 PM Guest Tara P.  says:
My husband and I are one of those couples who lived together before marriage. If asked 'why' we did, the only answer I can give is that it was cheaper. A sad answer really but even more sad is that we got no resistance from either of our families. After a month guilt set in for me and I more or less demanded we be engaged. We lived engaged for about 9 months and then I moved across country for school. We married a year later and are about to celebrate our 17th anniversary. I know we are one of the lucky ones but even so, I think we bear some scars for going against God's perfect plan for marriage. I plan on making my own children perfectly aware of the pitfalls of such a gamble. While we came out on top, many have not.
Oct 12, 2011 7:29 PM Guest single guy  says in response to Matt:
I bet that's a very rare exception...
Oct 12, 2011 7:30 PM Guest Brian  says:

Jim,

Thanks for the timely article.  I haven't digested it yet, but I wanted to write and say this subject is personal to me.  My 23 year old son, raised by his Christian parents (my wife and I) is not yet to that point, but I believe would consider it.  The reason I say that about him, and the main reason this is a growing trend, is because the bedrock Christian world view is not as strong in my son's generation.  My wife and I raised our boys in fundamental Christianity as best we understood, gleaning much helpful wisdom from men like James Dobson and Raymond Moore.  So keep up the good work.

 

Brian

Oct 12, 2011 7:40 PM Guest Barbara  says:
What about couples who move in together after engagement and before the wedding? That was not addressed.  We dealt with this with our son and he is in the ministry.
Oct 12, 2011 7:41 PM Guest Dan  says:

I would agree that waiting is best.

A few years ago I counciled a young relative about the need to live out her Christian walk in her relationship.

She aptly pointed out her own parents, both christians and "church kids" who had a disappointing marriage, and divorce.

The church needs to demonstrate that Christ does make a difference.

Oct 14, 2011 7:33 AM Guest Melissa K  says:

Esther did a great job! We as the body of Christ have forsaken the true meaning of covenant marriage and traded it for the cheap divorce and remarriage that happens multiple times in one's lifetime. This is not walking out faith. Faith in the Son of God says, " This is til death parts us" and "What God has joined together , no one (not even a judge) is to separate" and "Forgiveness was purchased at the cross". Churches do not teach the covenant of marriage, they counsel to forget the past and move on when divorced when Paul says" be single or be reconciled"and " a woman is bound to her husband until he dies".  We as the body of Christ have become poor examples to this generation of the truth as Jesus  and Paul taught it. No wonder they stray from covenant marriage and purity, we have strayed from the truth and live the same lifestyle in civil adultery after breaking covenant. Sadly, our generation thinks we can correct the younger generation but truthfully our sin is the same. Be faithful, church, to your covenants and your children will embrace God's covenant relationships for them.

Oct 12, 2011 7:50 PM Guest Carol  says:
My mother (not a Christian) actually encouraged me to live with my boyfriend before getting married, because that's the way you find out what the person is really like to live with, and if you don't like it, you can just part ways and not have to have a messy divorce.  I think a lot of people have fallen into that way of thinking.  It is unfortunate, because that is NOT the way God intended it.  Back in the old days, when co-habitation was unheard of, married couples stayed together for life, and divorce was very rare!  God's way works best!
Oct 12, 2011 7:50 PM Guest Chris  says:
I was looking for the five reasons NOT to live together before marriage but I never found them in the article. I agree that "commitment phobia" is growing rapidly. My 30 year old daughter has friends whose goals for a long time have been to be married and have children. Several of them moved in with men, planning on them marrying them.  Instead what has happened is that those young women have, from my point of view, wasted several years with men that never intended to marry them. Then, they are 30 ish with no husband and no children, and no one who wants to even date them.  They spent years with a man who had no intention of commiting to marriage. Sad statement on society.
Oct 12, 2011 8:19 PM Guest Matt T.  says:
I find this article to be incomplete and quite off base.  I am a Christian who disagrees with most of what Esther wrote and a little bit of follow up research on your own will show you how flawed the sociologists studies really were.  In the current financial climate Americans are in, living together before marriage is the norm and should be accepted by all.  Abstain from sex, yes, that I agree with, after marriage have fun.  I don't see any religious significance to this article period, if you do, as does Jim, I think you are acting naive and lacking in faith of your fellow Christians that we can resist temptation and simply support each other while living together before marriage.
Oct 12, 2011 7:58 PM Guest Paula  says in response to Matt:
I think this comment shows what you don't acknowledge about hormones! What percent of people do you think actually make this happen? And if they can, maybe their real attraction to each other needs to be questioned. The intention is not to see how close to the fire one can get without being burned. It is to remain pure AND avoid the appearance of evil.
Oct 12, 2011 7:59 PM Guest Jennifer B.  says:

I have recently gotten out of the unfortunate situation you describe above.  I tried for several years to "make" things work and toward the end pushed harder for my former boyfriend and I to get married to no longer be "living in sin."  But, when started thinking about that seriously I finally woke up to the fact that it was not going to work.  I can speak from years of experience...  I have been the victim of every one of the behaviors you mentioned above.  He was violent toward me, cheated on me (I found out a year later), didn't care to get married and thought we should stay "as is" for as long as possible, (from my perspective) didn't put forth even half the effort that I did in trying to fix our brokeness, occasionally would help with household chores (more rare than regular) and only just a year ago decided to start paying half of the living expenses, and never wanted to talk about solving our problems and typically had a negative view of our relationship.  You will most likely think "what on earth was she thinking?!"  But I can tell you there are lots of women fooled by smooth talking men and their own honest but foolish hopes for what "might be."  Thanks to my Christian friends and my loving family I was able to break out of that situation.  I am wondering what to do next?  I know God can redeem even the worst things for good, but I very sadly do not have the "one true thing that was mine to give" to my future husband (as noted by Mildred A. above) and I have several years of learned behavior from my former relationship.  Does anyone have any Godly advice to give on how to move forward and take the right steps to healing and eventually finding a marriage God would bless?

 

Thank you for your prayers and support!

Oct 12, 2011 7:59 PM Guest Lori  says:
I am 51 years old, and even though I was a Christian, at 20 years old I begged my fiance for us to live together without marriage, because I did not want to commit prior to profesional school!  Fortunately he refused, and we just celebrated 30 years of marriage. I currently know several young couples in their twenties that are living together unmarried. It appears to be the expected norm for unchurched young people.  One girl who works with me was still living at home, working full time and helping to support her family, and going to college part time and paying her college tuition and books as well as a car note.  She also handled her family's finances by paying the bills and preparing a family budget.  Her 19 year old brother who is only a few years younger, lost his job due to irresponsibility.  He is not trying to go to college, is not helping support his family, and is not trying very hard to find a new job.  When she objected to her mother, they got into a big fight, so she moved out.  Needless to say , she doesn't have enough money left of her paycheck to afford a place on her own, so she moved in with her boyfriend!  Another coworker lives with her boyfriend because she wanted the freedom of not living with her parents, but also couldn't afford to live on her own.
Oct 12, 2011 8:00 PM kksmom kksmom    says in response to Tara P.:

@ Tara: Your story is exactly why so many young couples think it is ok. You did it, it turned out ok, you lived to tell about it--17 years together, no less. So you felt a little guilty? big deal. I don't see any solid argument in this article why you shouldn't cohabitate.   Most people that get to that point do go on to get married and, as in your case, stay together.

 

Convince me otherwise. What "scars" are you talking about exactly? I dont get it.

Oct 12, 2011 8:32 PM Guest Doug  says in response to Matt:

Financial reasons?   If you cannot live at some other place than together...You will find it very difficult to live together later..or even get married.

This may be simple.  Each has the urge to make love....often the man can't keep his hands off you.  Hours, days, weeks, months, years....just living together.....is as leaving the kids alone in the candy store....or the ones in the bank with the vault open. Temptations.   A touch...a smile..a caress...with only two living together...the temptations can take over and the emotional and even true love presents too many times to just go ahead and do it...  If you cannot wait until after married...to be alone all the time..... You are not ready for marriage.  Avoid the appearance of evil (sin). If you cannot afford to live apart...you should know you can't afford to live together.   Often with the man...."I love you.".....when it really is..."I love me...I want you."....

If you could do this..as in the movie...."You are a better man than I, Gunga Din."     If you truly love each other you will delay living together before marriage.    If you lack respect for each other...it will be with you...always.   Don't try to change the other before marriage....He or she do not change.  Too many have tried that and it is not the way God created man, woman or the marriage...or a family.    We are in a world of trouble because many have come to think otherwise.  God forgives sins.  We must live with the consequences of our sins.  With this in mind...you cannot afford to live together unmarried.

Oct 12, 2011 8:32 PM Guest Rebecca  says in response to Matt:

Wow that's possible?   To live together and abstain from sex?  As a 52 year old, I remember how I longed to be with my soon to be husband of 30 years, I think had we set ourselves up to share space every day and every night, abstaining would not have happened!  I will never regret waiting, the wedding night and first year together were so fun!!

Oct 12, 2011 8:05 PM Guest Mom  says:
For one thing you can save a fortune on the medical costs of a child! Ask around! Not married? The father doesn't even have to be named. It costs him nothing and if the mother-to-be's income is low it's FREE! I know married couples who have been saving for years to have a child and can't affort it. Want it free? Stay single! Our tax dollars are paying to encourage illigitamacy! Then there's WIC, FoodStamps, etc. all based on only the mom-to-be's income!
Oct 12, 2011 8:07 PM Guest Connie  says in response to Matt:

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God Blesss a saying that "Dating leads to mating!!"  So, what do you think just living together will lead to???  You say abstaining, but you are tempting yourselves to giving in. Sex is a very strong pull and we are not supposed to put ourselves in a situation that would cause us to sin even if we wanted to.  You need to stop now, no matter what you think is a good reason..... Remember the Devil is out there like a roaring lion seeking who he may devour.  If you truely love each other, you can wait till you get married. Do not give in to it, trust me, it makes the marriage different, I am speaking from experience!!

God Bless.

Oct 12, 2011 8:07 PM Guest Julia  says:

I think it's a mistake to live together in most circumstances.  It leads to a false sense of committment and a quasi-marriage without the vows.  That said, we lived together for a year before we were married.  We didn't plan on it, but we found our dream house and couldn't afford to rent an apartment for one while the other lived in the house.  I insisted from an early point in our relationship that I would not live with my husband until I had an engagement ring and a date.  And before we closed on the house, we closed on our engagement.

 

Because of family circumstances, we set our wedding as early as possible - a year away, or two Sundays after Easter.  My husband's family is Catholic, so no Lenten weddings, and we live in Northern New England, so a winter wedding was out for his elderly relatives.  I couldn't pull together a 200 person wedding for Fall and manage work and school, so it was a practical compromise.

 

Sometimes practicality wins out over idealogy. If a couple is engaged with a date, I don't have a problem of their living together.  As for waiting for marriage to have sex, I disagree with that as well. 

Oct 12, 2011 8:16 PM Guest Angel  says in response to Tara P.:
I lived with a couple of boys who were immature and treated me badly before I found my own apartment and lived on my own for two years. When I met my husband I knew I couldn't move back home so I had to be certain that he was "the one" before moving in with him. We were both paying rent at the time so my husband suggested we move in together to save money. However, before moving in with him I demanded he put a ring on my finger so I knew that he was committed to me and he did so without any hesitation. We were engaged for eleven months before marrying and we will be celebrating our 17th wedding anniversary this coming March. Three times a charm as the old saying goes. I've made a lot of mistakes, but hopefully our teenage children will learn from them instead of repeating them. Time will tell. We were one of the lucky ones and I thank God for all of our many blessings.
Oct 12, 2011 8:21 PM Guest Jenny  says in response to Tara P.:
Tara, I am so happy to read your post. My husband & I lived together too (neither of us were committed Christians then, although, we knew it was wrong) for mainly the same reason. We have been married for 10 years, but, I also feel that we have & continue to suffer some from this past sin.
Oct 12, 2011 8:24 PM Guest Dena D  says:

I was married and did everything right, waiting until marriage, and it still ended up in divorce. I feel like the anticipation of being together and the pressure to wait caused us to get married too soon. Now I am afraid of getting married before I completely know the other person, and wonder how well I can really get to know him without living with him.  While I do not think I will live with a man before marrying, I am still tempted with the thought.

 

My other comment is in regard to the statement that living together before saying "I do" will not lower the divorce rate. From a statistical standpoint, if all cohabitants actually got married before living together, and those that broke up were added to the numbers of divorced, the divorce rate would be astronomical as compared to what it is now.  So in comparison, the divorce rate we have today is in fact much lower because people are living together first before committing to marriage.

 

I do believe full heartedly in the reasons God intended us to wait.  A man and woman having those values and respecting eachother enough to exert the self control to wait is more likely to have the values, character and self control to weather the storms and have a successful marriage.  There are plenty of couples, however, that have these qualities and success despite moving in before marriage.  But waiting enhances these characteristics.

Oct 12, 2011 8:24 PM Guest Sarah  says:
I am 29 years old and my husband and I will be married 6 years in 3 weeks.  My younger sister and most of my girl friends are living with their boyfriends.  It makes me SO sad that they didn't respect themselves enough to hold out for marriage, even though ALL of them want to get married.  I've gotten more than one tearful phone call on the subject!  They have varied backgrounds, not all from broken homes.  I don't know what the solution for this epidemic is except to model a healthy rewarding marriage and to PRAY!!!!
Oct 12, 2011 8:34 PM Guest Jim R.  says in response to Matt:
Well, Matt, maybe this (hypothetical?) Christian couple is living together but not having sex but how does it look to others?  Could it run contrary to 1 Cor. 10:31-33?  Can looking like just another cohabitating couple be done "for the glory of God"?  Could it cause someone who sees this situation to "stumble"?  And who does it show you're trusting for your finances - God or your girlfriend?
Oct 12, 2011 8:36 PM Guest Hank  says in response to Chris:

Chris:  Here are the five...there are many more!

 

Research tells us (see page 117) that a woman who cohabitates before marriage will increase her likelihood of getting a husband who:

 

Oct 12, 2011 8:44 PM Guest Arlene M.  says in response to Brian:

I am a happily celibate never-married single woman (almost 58 years old) who enjoys the celibate single state and has never wanted to be married.  Marriage isn't easy and there are lots of responsibilities and sacrifices and putting up with various aggravating "quirks", etc. involved.  Also, as a single person I enjoy the freedom to pursue my career and church ministries "unencumbered".

Even though I am wary of marriage--but not because of any divorces in my family, because my parents are devoted to each other and, God willing, will be married 62 years this coming May--I would never consider cohabitation that would include premarital sex.  I still believe that God wants people to become one in the sexual act only within the context of marriage, which is intended to be a permanent commitment in which "the two become one flesh".

I think in general men get the better of the deal in marriage (a man has to go to work anyway, while a woman may have to sacrifice her career goals and take on various mundane domestic chores), but the situation is even worse for a woman who cohabitates.  In cohabitation the woman usually takes on the responsibilities of marriage without having the security of marriage.  Yes, I know that divorce happens.  But when people cohabitate it is easier for the partners to walk away, and it is more frequent that the man walks away, sometimes even when there are children, born or unborn.  It is a rather crass and seemingly disrespectful statement, since a woman is a human being with dignity and not a cow, but it is still true, "He won't buy the cow if he can get the milk for free."  For me the moral/religious reason is reason enough to refrain from sexual intercourse before marriage, and recent research has shown that living together doesn't result in all the problems being worked out before marriage (premarital counseling is a much better alternative than premarital sex) but makes the probability of divorce and heartbreak even greater.  In addition to all these, as a woman with healthy self-esteem and self-respect, my sense is why should a woman be so foolish as to provide a man with all the benefits of marriage (i.e. a sexual relationship, cooked meals, a clean house, clean laundry, etc.) if he has not honored her by making the commitment of marriage before God and family and friends!  Why should a woman allow herself to be "used"!

Oct 12, 2011 8:45 PM Guest Debbie  says in response to Matt:
Matt, the Bible gives two reasons I can think of not to live together before marriage, with or without sexual relations.  One has to do with not giving an "appearance of evil".  The other has to do with having a "hedge of protection" against sin.  Living together makes it too easy to give in to normal temptations, and makes it appear that it's ok for couples to live together because even these great Christians I know are living together (they more than likely won't believe that they are abstaining from sex).  With faith, you can do the right thing and God will provide a way for Christian couples to survive financially prior to marriage without living together.
Oct 12, 2011 8:54 PM Guest Paula  says:

Something I don't understand in a lot of these comments.

Sure, it's hard financially to live on your own.  So...get a roommate!  People used to do that all the time!  You don't have to move in with your boyfriend because of money issues.  That's just an excuse.  Times are hard.  But, times have been hard before!  Back when I was single, I lived with as many as three other young ladies in an apartment.  We shared all expenses and it was very doable.  That way, you and your boyfriend and fiance can save money until you're financially ready to marry.

Oct 12, 2011 8:55 PM Guest Rebecca  says in response to Matt:
I think it would still be best to avoid the temptation and stay separate. If there is temptation to move together for financial reasons, then keep the engagement short and get married sooner. Either wait until after marriage to move into the new home, or marry quickly to avoid having to cohabitate. Being alone in the same house night after night is an unwise situation to put oneself into.
Oct 12, 2011 8:56 PM Guest 2girlsmom  says:

How do you address your Christian daughter who is 21 years old, is a senior in college, engaged and just wants to be with her finance after she finishes college.  He has a few more years to go until he will be finished with college.  She is tired of being apart from him for so many years (during college) and wants to not have to be apart from him any longer.  She is saying that when she graduates college, she is going to move and live with him.  She was raised in church and knows it is not acceptable or a good choice for their relationship but she just wants to be with him.  The issue with them is they want to get married but I have asked them to hold off in getting married, finish college, get jobs and get settled before they get married.  I know that is ideal but it does not always work out for everyone in that order.  In one sense, I'm almost to the point of just letting them get married after she finishes school but that means he will still be a student with no way of supporting her.  I just want the best for my daughter and as one mother said in a post earlier...I don't want my daughter nor her fiance to miss out on God's blessings for them if they step out and do their own thing and live together prior to marriage.  What would be your suggestion on the best way to discuss this with your young adult child so that they understand your view and respect it?

Oct 12, 2011 8:57 PM Guest Ronald  says in response to gabrielle a.:
My oldest daughter is living with her girlfriend, yes her girlfriend not boyfriend. She is not interested in guys at this time. They get cozy too to put it lightly. cohabitation is not the only thing we are having to deal with. we are not in favor with this and we have talked to her about it. She has been brought up in a loving caring Christian home, but she has not felt that she wants to go down that path that we put in front of her. My wife and I have never been with anyone else in bed or with each other before marriage. We have been married for 23 years now and counting. Kids have their own way of living making up their own mind.
Oct 12, 2011 8:58 PM Guest Beth  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

I did a little bit of research a few years ago when my peers started cohabitating.  Statistically speaking, living together while you're engaged does not yield significant negative impacts on your future marriage.  It's the less committed folks who suffer the brunt of those.

 

I spent quite a bit of time at my finacee's home (now my husband of 5+ years) while we were engaged, and we abstained until we were married.  I will say, that would have been easier had we been together a little less! He had roommates, thus some built in accountability.

 

I will say that there is a signifigant advantage to learning how to live with each other after you're married, because you have the understanding that you HAVE to make the living arrangement work, somehow!  The adjustment can be a big one, and it help to know that you have 100% committment from both parties. Nothing short of a vow before God and your family will make that committment certain.

Oct 12, 2011 9:01 PM Guest Audrey  says:
While I agree totally that cohabitation is not God's desire for His people and fornication (which probably is occurring) is a sin, I think this article could have been much more beefy in its reasons for not cohabitating.  Where are the statistics on how many marriages of previously cohabitating couples fail?  Where are the statistics about sexual troubles among married couples who cohabitated?  Many people who cohabitate actually live with (and have sex with) more than one partner before getting married to someone.  So what about that?  What about the statistics about people who have sex outside of marriage and the devastating effects it has on the subsequent marriage?  There are lots of reasons not to do this!  All sin has consequences and sexual sin has some of the worst.
Oct 12, 2011 9:04 PM Guest mimi  says:
Our daughter moved in with boyfriend #1 and he was suppose to propose, he never did, they broke up, she moved back home, then in an apartment.  Now she is living with boyfriend #2 for financial reasons they say.  They will most likely get married, they talk about it.  I pray for them.  I have 3 sons who I will advice, they need to be married before they play house, it is not fair to the girls.  My daughter has heard all my reasons but she moved in with the boyfriends anyway.
Oct 14, 2011 7:42 AM Guest Matt T  says:
I waited a little while after my initial post to see what the reactions would be, and just as I expected the responses have been misguided, presumptive, and off base.  My post was from personal experience.  My girlfriend and I lived together for 2 years, then got engaged, a year later we were happily married.  So currently we have been together for 5 years, 4 of those unmarried and the entire time living together happily AND abstaining from premarital sex.  Apparently most of you have little or no self control in regards to sex.  It matters very little to me or my wife what others think or how it looked to them.  We are not in control of whether or not someone else stumbles based on how they perceive our individual situation.  We saved a lot of money living together for 4 years and now have a very stable financial structure set for our children to come.  I think some of you read a little too much and way too literally into some of the writings in the Bible and on this blog.  Utilize the freewill that God instilled in you and don't be bullied into hard set structures of living.  Embrace change.  I will continue to read the responses.
Oct 12, 2011 9:29 PM Guest Denise  says:
I agree with Esther, but I wanted to add another reason on why living together before marriage isn't a good idea. That is I think if I ever lived with someone outside of marraige, I'd be on pins and needles. Because you could come home one day & he could've decided to leave without telling you & all his stuff be gone. Saying all that you don't have that "security" like you would if you got married first. Why would anyone want to live life like that?.
Oct 12, 2011 9:34 PM Guest Terry  says:
And the most important reason would be that God says no! The Word tells us that practicing sexual immorality will keep you from the Kingdom of Heaven.
Oct 12, 2011 9:38 PM Guest Kathy H.  says in response to Elisa:

It seems to me the real problem is the common acceptance of sex outside of marriage, which is not the way God designed. So many of our current problems stem from this one thing.

 

If you are dating someone, most American people would presume that you are having sex.  "Relationships" have become about sex, moe than deep friendships.  There becane expectation of sex when dating (the only question was when to begin), and now there is an expection of "living together" before marriage.  They even have showers for them!  It's just another lie from the Pit that living together is not a big deal.  If you really believe in and live your Christian faith, you would not risk your soul or your loved one's for sex or money.  ("We did it for financial reasons." "saving for a big wedding, etc.)

 

I don't hear the people who are living together or considering it consulting God or asking Him what He wants them to do; I only hear these undisciplined people speak of what they want.

Oct 12, 2011 9:41 PM Guest Aurora  says in response to Matt:
I know from experience that, that is EXTREMELY difficult to do. If finances are a worry than marriage will save you money too. My husband and I lived together before we got married (not something I'm proud of...) and things just felt better once we got married. We didn't need to have a big wedding either. Finances were an issue for us, so we just had the pastor do a tiny ceremony (just us and 5 witnesses...) and we figure we can renew our vows or something later with a bigger ceremony.
Oct 12, 2011 9:46 PM Guest Stan  says:
Whenever an article cites a correlation by framing a causal relationship going in one direction, and that direction seems striking, it usually means that the causal relationship actually goes in the opposite direction.
For instance, based on the correlations found by the study, this article implies that cohabitation increases the likelihood of getting a husband who is more violent, less supportive, and less committed.
The more realistic causal direction is that men who are violent, less supportive, and less committed are more likely to insist on cohabitation instead of marriage (which would naturally produce this correlation).
Let's make sure, when we're talking about correlations found by studies, we're not succumbing to the temptation to conclude the more exciting/controversial/surprising/stimulative causal direction, when it's simultaneously the less-plausible causal direction.
Finally, let's remember that the Bible doesn't actually have anything explicit to say about the "rules" with regard to premarital cohabitation. So let's be careful with throwing around phrases like "God's plan for marriage" as if we know for certain that God finds cohabitation bad for every chaste, Christian couple before marriage. We don't.
Oct 12, 2011 9:51 PM Guest Annie  says in response to Paula:
I completely agree with Paula.  When I was 24, I transferred to an out of state college so I could be closer to my fiance.  I didn't have an apartment lined up so we naively thought it would be ok for me to stay with him for a little while (in a separate bedroom or course).  Boy, was that stupid!  Talk about temptation!  Somehow, by the grace of God, I remained a virgin...but we did things we had NO business doing....('nuff said about that). Anyway, I'm sure that our arrangement did NOT honor God and was a TERRIBLE example / witness to others....both Christians and non-Christians,   I ended up being there for a couple of months...way longer than I'd intended...before I finally got an apartment.  The separate bedroom thing is a joke.  The Bible says "FLEE from temptation".  I would NEVER encourage my child to cohabitate.  There is simply no way to honor God while simultaneously willfully disobeying his commands.   
Oct 12, 2011 9:51 PM Guest Jan  says in response to 2girlsmom:
I'm a mom who has 2 sons who just graduated college. My 2nd son found "his woman" on campus. They married right before his Senior year and before her Sophomore year. If a person truly has a Biblical world view, we would see what's truly important--forming Christ-centered families who show Jesus to a lost generation, not finishing what has become a god in our society--higher education. They both have buckled down and gotten 2 jobs, my son graduated with honors, and my daughter-in-law is graduating this spring. It's doable. When you both know that this is the one God has planned for you, get on with it. Get on with creating a God-honoring marriage/family that witnesses of God's great plans and goodness to a hurting people. The Biblical goal is to form a Godly union, raise Godly children, and teach them to bring others to Jesus.
Oct 12, 2011 9:52 PM Guest Ed  says:
From what I have seen, the trend is largely driven by young women who are trying to coax a greater degree of commitment out of reluctant or immature young men.  "Trying it on" is intended- consciously or unconsciously - to be a first step toward marriage.  The negative male behaviors arise because at some level, the guys know they have been had.  My son is living with his very career oriented girlfriend:  he is not sure he wants to be in a marriage where he comes second, so he is not ready to marry.  So now they live in limbo, she has what she wants, he does not.
Oct 12, 2011 9:56 PM Guest Anne  says:
Hi! There are so many outstanding comments that I have read so I won't point any of them out but just to say that I am 40 years old and have recently celebrated our 14th wedding anniversary! My husband and I obstained from premarital relations and have put our strong moral and spiritual values first, you can call it living by higher standards. I basically grew up in the church so I knew better but some know better and still lower their standards for all the reasons given (see comments). I believe that the Bible is the true word of God spoken for us to live by; having the fear of God is better than "sin" and all it's temptations. If you believe in the God kind of Faith, then you should live by it and be an example of Christ to others that are seeking something more than a relationship with the opposite sex. Marriage is good but without putting God first in your marriage, there will be issues and the issues will grow into something that should not just because of selfishness. I believe in premarital counseling and getting to know your soon to be mate very well before tying the knot. Marriage is not all about the "sex" and it comes from an understanding about why God created the marriage union and how the man and how the woman in marriage is to treat eachother. We waited 8 years before having our first child because that's when the desire to raise a family came for us. After having children (we have two), I sometimes think why didn't we start having children sooner? Children are a blessing from the Lord as it says in the Bible. They bring so much joy to my family! I would encourage anyone who desires to marry and have children to wait for the right one and plan it so that you both can wait until you are married to have a home together and finally to have children. You will not regret it. They are not perfect and yes children and marriage are challenging but I'm up to the challenge!! God Bless All of YOU!
Oct 12, 2011 9:56 PM Guest Flo  says in response to Jim R.:
Jim, I think your answer is the best of all. I am 56 and was widowed at age 30 with  6 and 3 year old sons. I met my second husband of 24 years only 6 months later and decided not to have him move in with me or "shack up" as it was sometimes called in those days, even though I thought marriage meant I would lose all the survivor benefits that came from my active duty military husband's death. I just took a deep plunge of faith and asked God to take care of us financially and that we would put our proposed marriage on the alter before Him and that if He wanted us to have the marriage, that He could bless us, and if it was NOT His will, that we would be able to part amicably. We attended pre-marital counseling with my pastor for 2 months prior to saying our vows. Well, God sure did His part and helped us. It was not always easy financially, but God came through for us in every single financial hurdle and even in many relationship hurdles as well. With all our children raised his, mine and ours, I would dearly love to study for a Master's Degree in licensed practice of marriage and family therapy because I value marriage so much. If the church is the bride of Christ and marriage is a reflection of Christ's love for His church, marriage partners should be willing to lay down their own lives for their mates, if not physically then in the demonstration of a loving committment that won't give up even when the going gets rough.
Oct 13, 2011 6:27 AM Guest Terri  says in response to single guy:
Dear Single Guy~You've mised the point of the article. Cohabitation isn't good enough because it leaves out the feeling that you can relax and give your partner your whole heart. Do you really want to live together for years with someone who is withholding a piece of their emotions & love? How can you truly love someone if you're living with one foot out the door? Being "in love" causes you to want to live with someone, to benefit from great sex until you meet someone else and decide it "just isn't working anymore". It will never work until you feel connected with someone through a marriage committment. Loving someone means that you place them before yourself in everything you do; you think of the other person first. I hope you DON'T get married before you are able to love someone else as they deserve to be loved.
Oct 12, 2011 10:03 PM Guest Momof3  says in response to 2girlsmom:

2girlsmom,

I would advise your daughter to wait until she has a job to get married (hopefully just after she is out of college).  My parents tried the "wait until everyone graduates, has jobs, and is "financially stable" bit.  My husband and I (married 20 years this December) knew we were ready and got married one semester before we graduated.  We had no jobs and had a bit of schooling left, but it was right for us. Who will you/she be depending on - husband or God?  We've had plenty of friends who supported each other through school.  One in particular got married while she was still in HS (NOT usually the best, for sure, but her home life was atrocious and he greatly improved it).  The husband worked while she got her degree.  Then she taught school while he got one degree, then another.  It could've worked the other way around, as well.  No situation is "perfect" but personally, it sounds as if that is best for your daughter, assuming this guy is a commited believer, etc. etc. (the one she/you know is right for her).

I just went back and read your post again...  Another option might be for your daughter to get a job in the town or fairly close to where her fiance is going to school (or for him to transfer to somewhere she can get a job).  There are a few other options to consider.  However, the main thing I see here is that she is already engaged!  Long engagements are a terrible idea I've been told by countless people!!!  Engagement means planning marriage - "Hope delayed makes the heart sick, but a dream fulfilled is a tree of life."  Proverbs 13:12  She has already looked forward to that day for so long, that unless it is eminent, she will become desperate and try to fulfill her dream.

I would encourage them to think out possible ways they could get married within the year after her graduation, listing out places to live, budget, what would happen if she got pregnant (always a real possibility even with birth control), etc. etc.  Put the burden on them to practically think out how things would work/could work even in circumstances they might not want yet, like a baby or loss of her job...

I know this may not be what you wanted to hear, but try to be supportive of their dreams and at the same time urge them to be practical and set out a plan so they are thinking about possible things that could happen.  God bless (and SO sorry this is a book)!

Oct 12, 2011 10:12 PM Guest Kristen M.  says in response to Jennifer B.:
Jennifer, I am so sorry for the hurt you have been through. I have several friends that have been through similar situations. They share your hurts as well. I firmly believe that God can restore you. I believe if you seek after Him and work on strengthening your relationship with God that he will eventually bring the man He has planned for you. I would encourage you to try to not focus so much on who your soul mate is and how you find him, but rather on mending your heart and growing in the Lord. I know you are concerned about how your future husband will handle the fact that you are not a virgin, but I believe that the right man who loves the Lord will be able to work through that issue with you. The man you were in a previous relationship with cared about what you could do for him, but your future husband will LOVE you. I also encourage you to continue to hang out with your Christian friends and family that you mentioned. It sounds like they are doing a great job of reinforcing truth in your life. I fully believe that God can restore you and provide you with a marriage that God will richly bless. Stay committed to walking in truth and keep an eternal perspective! Stay strong sister!
Oct 12, 2011 10:21 PM Guest Jeff  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

Finances are finances. Move in with a friend or family for the time being but preserve that bond that will be created the day you marry and your home becomes YOUR home...just a thought.

Oct 13, 2011 6:38 AM Guest single guy  says in response to 2girlsmom:
2girlsmom, maybe you should "let" them get married.  They are adults. Maybe if she gets a job after graduating, she could "support" herself, and maybe even him while he finishes.  Nothing wrong with that, especially when no kids are in the picture.
Oct 12, 2011 10:30 PM Guest single guy  says in response to mimi:
If it's purely financial reasons, move in with a friend (female) instead of her boyfriend.
Oct 12, 2011 10:30 PM Guest Cat  says in response to Barbara:
Really? Wow! I must be naive in thinking that those that are in the "ministry" would obstain from the appearance of evil and make all the right choices. What does the Bible say? That's what I say.
Oct 12, 2011 10:56 PM Guest Carol  says in response to 2girlsmom:
Our 20 year old married in June. Her husband was two months shy of 20 at the time. They were both virgins and I am very proud of them. He actually lived with us for a year because his parents kicked him out when he became a Christian (long story), and they had seperate bedrooms. When the apartment became available, he moved in and she moved in on their wedding night. They are young, but they are so mature. Both work full time and go to school. I would certainly suggest allowing your 21 year old to marry after she finishes school. Why do they both have to have degrees and great jobs? That means delaying until their mid 20's and that is the worldly pattern that ends up having couples living together. If God has brought them together at a young age, then He will guide them. It is hard, but it is the right way, God's way.
Oct 13, 2011 6:43 AM Guest Arlene M.  says in response to 2girlsmom:
Instead of your daughter simply moving in with her fiance when she graduates, if she really wants to be with him and they are committed to one another, why not allow them to get married!  Ideally it is good for the couple to finish their education and have jobs, but many couples have married during or after college and have gone on to have successful marriages.  It's not as if they were still teenagers in high school.  I believe that Dr. Dobson and his wife Shirley had just graduated from college when they married, and they were both teachers, and he was going to graduate school. I believe that my choir director and his wife got married before they finished college and they are happily married parents of grown children--with the youngest in college--and grandparents and they are still very much in love and working together.  If her fiance could manage to work at least part time and if your daughter could get full time work, they should be able to pay rent and basic expenses.  They could have a simple church wedding without an elaborate reception (a reception could wait until they celebrate a big anniversary), live in a simple apartment, and budget their finances carefully.  In 1950 when my parents got married (Mom was turning 21 and Dad was 27), couples were used to marrying without a large income, starting small, and carefully budgeting and saving for the future--and almost 62 years later my parents are still devoted to one another, serving God, serving others, and helping out other family members financially.  "Better to marry than to burn" it says in the Bible, and better to marry than to "live in sin"!
Oct 12, 2011 11:10 PM Guest Jim  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

Concerning two people who really love one another enough to be engaged to marry, I seriously doubt that they would be able to resist the physical and emotional urge to have sex, if they were living together.  Besides, the research clearly shows that people who live together before the wedding are overwhelmingly more likely to have serious marriage difficulties that lead to divorce, once they do get married.  It's just better to wait 'til the wedding.

Blessings!

Oct 12, 2011 11:13 PM Guest Roxanne  says in response to Chris:
Chris, The article didn't have the 5 reasons numbered, but they are each listed under the paragraph introducing the book, The Ring Makes All the Difference. This is a very good article, I pray many more young people will come to the realization that God's ways are always best. As with everything else in life, marriage isn't always easy, but it's so worth the work that each partner puts into it. 
Oct 12, 2011 11:16 PM Guest Henry  says:

This is no accident. We have reached this stage slipping down the slippery slope by following the world in the area of "relationship" between oppostite sex. Once upon a time guy met the girl with father's persmission when both were ready for marriage. Now, being in a relationship is an activity by itself and does not have anything to do with marriage. Children start the relationship game early. Parents either encourage or Ok with this behavior. Most of the Christian community thinks this is "normal". Of course, "normal" behavior leads to "normal" results. We however, are called to walk the narrow path. We need to take a conservative approach to guys-girl relationship. God created marriage for "this" relationship. Let us keep what belongs in marriage inside marriage. The transition from singleness to marriage needs to relatively quick and the process of finding a marriage partner needs to be conservative where there is clear expectations and accountablity. Parents need tobe involved. God teaches us some good principles to follow in Genesis 24.

Oct 12, 2011 11:27 PM Guest Jim  says in response to single guy:

To single guy:

Actually, there is a significant amount of secular research of couples who break up before marriage and those who never plan on getting married anyway.  This research shows that couples who live together without being married report significantly more problematic and less satisfying relationships than those who choose to wait until marriage to live together.  In a number of studies, the commitment provided by marriage provides people more satisfaction with life and greater relationship satisfaction, even for those couples without kids.

Oct 12, 2011 11:36 PM Guest Brad  says:
What is amazing is that many 60, 70, and 80 year olds are now cohabitating, even those raised & attending church all of their lives!  This is a segment of the population that Focus on the Family may not be aware of.  They do so because of tax implications, social security implications, and death implications (wanting their personal assets left behind to those they desire and not strangers of the family they would have married into.)  This "older generation" trend needs to be brought up for discussion as well.
Oct 13, 2011 12:08 AM Guest Jerry  says in response to Matt T.:

Matt T, Romans 12:2 says, "Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will." It really does not matter it the sociological statistics look encouraging for discouraging for “happiness” or lowering divorce rates.  Co-habituation before marriage does not conform to God’s Word.  Mark 10:7 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife…” only echoes the original design God intended for marriage in Gen 2:24.  In case you miss the logic…when you leave and are united it is with your wife not your girlfriend or fiancé.  The Apostle Paul points out in 1 Cor 7:8 “Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.”  This does not mean to cohabitate for financial security. Paul continues (v9), “But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.” Paul begins to wrap up his argument with these words (vv17-19) “Nevertheless, each person should live as a believer in whatever situation the Lord has assigned to them, just as God has called them…Keeping God’s commands is what counts.”

 

It should be no surprise that when obedience to God’s Word is the center of a marriage the fruit of the marriage is good. Likewise, when people disobey God’s Word and live as they please, the fruit of their marriage is corrupt.  You cannot expect to sow bad seeds and reap a harvest of blessings. 

Oct 13, 2011 12:32 AM Guest Karen  says:

Thank you Esther for your article.

Would you kindly respond to Matt's question?  My nephew, raised in an evangelical church and professing Christian

has lived with two different women--the first one his "roommate" the last one now his wife--

and has justified it by letting the family who've given him input against these arrangements, that it is O.K.

because they are not having sex.

 

Yes, now that they are married things are very rocky.

 

Please, better than a comment, could you or a colleague write an article on this?

 

Thank you very much, and God bless us everyone who takes a stand for purity.

Oct 13, 2011 12:38 AM Guest candace  says:

I don't think cohabitating is good for anyone, based on experience. i grew up in a christian home. my parents were not eachother's first but definately their last. they met and 6 months later got married. have been married for 34 years. naturally, i admire their strength and commitment and want the same unconditional love that they share. so here goes. i was 18  had my own apartment, management position making decent money, friends, family after dating my first "love" for a little over a year i left it all behind and moved 900 miles away to be with "the one". marriage didn't come the first, second or third year but our son did ( unexpectedly). after 6 years of cheating my mother got on a plane and moved me back home. he never intended on marrying me, just thought moving me down to be with him was the "right" thing to do. i got my life in order living with my folks, prayed alot, found myself back in church and was doing well for myself. then my recent ex and i met. everything i prayed for in a person he was....at first. we hung out for months before he asked me to be his "girlfriend"(no sex involved at that time) he lived at home and so did i. i got an apartment because i wanted that relationship. i thought i was providing the means for us to build exactly what we talked about. a family, marriage bringing our kids together. after the first year, he started to spend alot of time "out". i took care of all the household bills, chores, grocery shopping. all he had to do is be there and commit to me. we split up last year then got back together. we got engaged christmas day 2010. he broke it off this august. i haven't seen him sense. giving someone the ease of an exit is not the way it should be marriage is "til DEATH do us part". he was less commited and left twice. in case you weren't paying attention, i have lived with two men who i thought were "the one". i don't feel ive wasted time because i have learned much. i do however, regret that i gave into sin and am left broken. cohabitation is not good for any reason, nor does it guarentee a successful marriage or marriage at all.  when you love someone, you accept ALL their flaws.in my opinion, it makes it easy for people to pick and choose and then decide whether it's feasable. like the game show baggage. i am now a 30 year old single mother. i never dreamt of this and it was not my life plan. my son is the greatest blessing god has given me.unfortunately, due to my bad choices it is not one i share with a possible husband. to all the exceptions consider yourself TRULY blessed.

Oct 13, 2011 1:16 AM Guest Sherrill to Jennifer  says in response to Jennifer B.:

The Lord will forgive you and cleanse you, and if you can also be able to forgive yourself as well. I made some mistakes in my life before the Lord brought me together with a wonderful man and we have been married it will be two years next month. He is faithful just keep asking him to help you to stay pure. I did that and it worked at times it was really tough though but the Lord really helped me. Yes there are alot of women being fooled by smooth talking men and it so very sad. The Lord will and can restore you and make you whole. My hubby and I will keep you in our prayers. I have two grown daughters that are living with their boyfriend and it is sad to see but I just keep praying for them and loving them. Just as we pray for healing for our bodies we can also pray for healing from the inside out as well. I know things will turn out for the good for you Jennifer just keep walking with the Lord for he will not ever leave you or forsake you.

Oct 13, 2011 7:00 AM Guest robert c.  says:
The times are changing and this world thanks we have to change with it.society today is looking everywhere for happiness.they thank a trial run is a good way to tell if they are compatible.marriage is not about compatibility its about commitment.it takes a lot of work and prayer to have a happy marriage.it all comes down to sin cohabitation is sin and God will not and can not bless sin.its sad that people just cant see that only living in Gods will can we truly be happy. 
Oct 13, 2011 3:33 AM Guest Jim  says in response to Matt:

   Here is the stark difference.  Living together as a trial run  is a fear based relationship. The message is, "If you treat me

well, I will stay with you. If you do not, I will leave."   Fear and intimacy cannot coexist, really. ( Even in marriages, I see

people relating to each other out of fear, and so marriage is not a guarantee.)  However, not committing insures that there

will be fear involved.

    As far as living together with no sex, it reminds me of a poltician a few years ago, who responded to a question about

smoking weed as a young man,saying,  "I never inhaled."    The guy is either lying, or worse, probably never able to throw himself into something passionately without fear of failure, or of what others will think. Fear and really good sex cannot coexist.

Oct 13, 2011 7:07 AM Guest Peter M.  says in response to kksmom:

kksmom rightly questions what scars Tara has as Tara does not laborate on them. However, she then goes on to state that (re cohabitation) that "Most people that get to that point do go on to get married  and as your (Tara's) case, stay together. Where does that come from? There are numerous surveys and statistics that state that approx 50% of ALL marriages end in divorce but we are not told what the divorce/separation rate is for those that cohabited. Is kksmom claiming that the cohabitors have a significantly better divorce/separation rate? If so that would be a somewhat powerful reason for trial marriages.

Oct 13, 2011 7:58 AM Guest Carmen  says in response to Matt:
I'm sorry to disappoint you Matt, but this is not going to last too long, especially if you already have a romantic relationship with her.
Oct 13, 2011 7:47 AM Guest Dawn B.  says in response to Jennifer B.:
Sweet Jennifer. Your story has touched my heart. Know that you are never alone when it comes to God. Also know that you are strong and courageous to take such bold steps in such a threatening relationship. My advice to you is first to find a small group in your area that helps to encourage you and give you confindence from your abusive relationship. Many Bible based churches offer such help. Make sure that you find a church that preaches God's Word with Love, Mercy and Fogiveness. We all need Forgiveness and Encouragement. Life is hard. I just happened to stumble on this article through email. I do  not believe in coincidence but in 'Godincidence'. God has a plan for your life and it will be better than you can imagine. Stick close to people that genuinely love you and cling to the Promises of our Lord Jesus Christ. I will be praying for you. With 2 adult daughters of my own, I can only hope that they will have an open and kind heart that you have had. Blessings and Care to you as you make a new path for your life!!
Oct 13, 2011 7:48 AM Guest Peter M.  says in response to Jenny:
Jenny, if you and Tara are now committed Christians you will know that Christ's death on the cross paid in full for our sins that we confess to Him. You have both confessed these to the readers of this website so give it up to God now and live in peace. 
Oct 13, 2011 5:54 AM Guest S  says:

We did not live together before marriage.  Both of us are Christians from Christian homes.  We were married a little over 20 years when his current and past girlfriends came to light, and therefore divorced.  (He wouldn't give that lifestyle up).  I don't believe living together or not living together would have made any difference to our marriage.  And while I do not care for living together before marriage, I'm not convinced it's a relationship killer.

Oct 13, 2011 7:49 AM Guest Donna  says in response to Jennifer B.:

T

hanks Jennifer for being open and honest -that's where the healing begins!  My hysband and I have been married for 26 years after sort of living together on/off.  It was wrong for all the reasons you mentioned, and just because God says NOT to. But I want to get to another issue - you!  Your past is behind you, now, you are truly forgiven, and any guilt or condemnation is NOT from God.  You are HIS beloved daughter, and HE still has great plans for you!  I encourage you to press into HIM like never before, really seek HIM daily and you will be amazed at what begins to happen to you.  Focus on becomming all that God has for you, not on any man because when God says it's time, He'll bring him to you.  Right now, you can begin to find out all the wonderful things God placed inside of you - talents, abilities, desires, etc.  Once you start finding who you are in Christ, you'll be full of HIS joy and complete - lacking nothing.  Develop a wonderful relationship with Christ, and you will be transformed!  Read Jeremiah 29:11-14.  One more thing before I sign off - I encourage you to put your past under the precious blood of Jesus, and break the soul-tie with the man you were living with. This will truly set you free - spiritually & physically.

Your Sister-in-Christ ...

Oct 13, 2011 5:59 AM Guest Laura T.  says in response to 2girlsmom:
My husband and I married after I finished my masters degree but 4 years before my husband finished his PhD.  He did have a graduate stipend, but I was the clear "bread winner" in the household.  We lived in a small apartment and enjoyed being part of the university community.  My husband graduated and has pursued a great career path, and we celebrated 20 years together this year.  If your daughter's fiance is disciplined, hardworking and certain to get a job some time after graduation, support their decision if they want to get married and ensure they get wise counsel concerning marriage and finances.
Oct 13, 2011 6:01 AM Guest Erin  says:

I am a born again Christian and have been as far back as I can remember.  My husband and I met in 1999 when I was 21.  We dated for just over 4 years before getting married.  I had my apartment and he had his house... however living in separate homes did not lead to abstaining from sex.  We remained in separate homes until Feb of 2003 when I moved in with him after getting engaged.  In July of that same year, we were married.  It has been 8 years and we are going strong.  We love God, are hoping we are raising our two children (5 and 6) in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, we listen and respect one another and we work on our marriage every day.  In my ever humble opinion, yes, living together before marriage is not God's plan, however, it is not the only reason that leads to disrespect and mistreatment in a marriage.

I am not making excuses for my choices.  I dated a man that was not saved, had sex with him, moved in with him and married him knowing it was against the Lord's will.  However, HE has been very gracious as my husband is now born again and has a heart for the LORD and loves me.

I know that my case is not the norm and I am thankful my marriage is working.  My mom never got mad or upset, she listened with I complained and that is what I needed.  She knew I was struggling inside and just loved me.  My hope is I can support my children regardless of their choices.

Oct 13, 2011 6:15 AM Guest Deb  says in response to Jennifer B.:
Jennifer-  first of all, congratulations on making a very hard move out of that relationship-  and the first step toward moving forward should be to be completely healed and able to love who you are and not who you think a man can help you become.  God has created you to be the person you are in HIM.....(a good Christian divorce recovery program can help you kind of learn some of what you  may be going through with breaking out of the relationship and how long it takes to really heal.)  but first of all you need to really come to terms with who YOU are in Christ.  May God bless you as you lean into him as your companion through this time.  Wait for him to bring the man He has for you into your life.
Oct 13, 2011 6:17 AM Guest Cindy S  says:

As a young girl/woman, I was ignorant to this issue.  It felt like another form of legalism; a shouldn't do without a good reason.  I did cohabitate before marriage and my former husband exhibited all 5 traits you list in your article.  Now as a mother of three, I hope and pray I can effectively guide and teach my vulnerable children about this issue.  I do feel most of the responsibility is on the parents.  But the key seems to be constant teaching (staring at an early age) about their God-given longings, God's beautiful design for a union between a man and woman, their high risks due to growing up in a broken family and our culture, and the common consequences of decisions that veer from God's design.  And, of course, a lot of prayer and trust in God.  This type of instruction seems to be received much better when spoken in love and understanding versus legalism and judgement. 

Oct 13, 2011 6:23 AM Guest Sarah  says in response to Matt:
There's a reason we say in the Lord's prayer, "And lead us not into temptation."  Scripture also tells us to avoid even the APPEARANCE of evil.  It's completely unrealistic to think that you can live together with the person you love -- even with the intention of getting married -- and not fall into sexual sin with them.  If it's hard to maintain sexual purity when dating while living separately, how much harder when you're under the same roof!
Oct 13, 2011 6:32 AM Hal_Jordan Hal_Jordan    says:

I'm really surprised by some of the comments here. There seem to be two opinions/questions recurring here.

1. It's ok for a non-married couple to cohabitate for financial reasons

2. What do I do with my child who lives with their girl/boyfriend.

 

The first is easy to address. Is it okay to lie if it saves you money? If killing your boss would mean you'd get promoted with a nice raise, would you? Would you bow to another god if someone paid off your credit card? Hopefully not. So why the compromise with cohabitation? As another poster mentioned, people have had roommates for years. There are lots of ways to save a buck that don't involve compromising your morals. Remember, purity is not a line you avoid crossing, it's a direction. You're always either moving toward God, or away from Him.

 

The second is tougher, but just as clear. You love your child, but you never make excuses for them and never let them sway your thinking. The idea that a person in their 20s has discovered a loophole in the way we're created that defies thousands of years of wisdom in a Bible that has never changed is kind of insane. There is nothing new under the sun. No one wants to alienate their children, but reinforcing a bad decision is kind of the opposite of the call to parenting. Eventually, the prodigal will return. They will need your love and that is when you show them you were right, not by telling them, but by living as Christ did and bestowing grace on them. Accepting them back without question will go a long way toward teaching them the wisdom they'll need to see that cohabitation leads to guilt and, almost always, scars of heartbreak.

Oct 13, 2011 6:39 AM Guest Kate  says in response to Julia:

Julia, do you believe the Bible? If you do, how can you say there is nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage?

1 Cor 6:18a says "Flee from sexual immorality." 1 Cor 7:2-3 says "But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband.  The husband should fulfull his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband." Marital duty--sex is something that should be within the confines of marriage.  1 Cor 7:8-9 says "Now to the unmarried...It is good for them to stay unmarried...But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, fir it is better to marry than to burn with passion." 1 Thessalonians 4:3-5a, 7-8 says "It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immrality; that each of you should learn to control his won body in a way that is holy ad honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen...  For God did not call us to be impure, but t live a holy life.  Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit."

 

God has told us to live holy lives for Him, and part of that is staying sexual pure by not having premarital sex, saving that intimate relationship for marriage. The Bible is God's word and instruction for our lives; If you believe in God and are a christian, you can't just pick and choose what to follow based on what is convenient for you.  Convenience or wordly acceptance are not excuses for sin and going against God.

Oct 13, 2011 6:43 AM Guest Kathy  says:

Even Christian "leaders", formal and informal, have bought into the belief that cohabitation is not only acceptable, but practical. When friends, family and fellow believers all accept and encourage the choice, a young couple has no reason NOT to live together, there's no negative consequences in the near-term that are clearly visible. In fact, it's often encouraged, seen as a way to save money on rent, save up for a wedding later, and conserve costs.

For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. Matthew 7:13

Oct 13, 2011 6:44 AM Guest Joanne  says:

For Christians, this is very plain and simple and does not need to be over complicated by a lot of worldly garbage.  You don't live together without being married because God said so. That's it, the end.  Everything else is superfluous worldly nonsense. If you are a Christian, it's about nothing more than obedience.

Oct 13, 2011 6:51 AM Guest Kathleen  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

 

Logically it makes sense to do it that way.  But if we want to obey God, and show Him we love Him, that means we need to practice what Esther is saying.  God's ways are better than ours, and if we live seperately before marriage we avoid sexual temptation and are able to testify to the world that we love our God.  By cohabitating (even for financial reasons) we are giving the world a way to call us hypocrites, and showing them that truth doesn't matter, becuase to the world from all appearances, everything that happens when you live together is likley happening in their minds.  Defend truth, and do what is right! 

Oct 13, 2011 6:52 AM Guest Bethany B  says:
Esther, please keep speaking up about this. I think some of what 20-30's need to hear is the damage they're doing and the traps they're setting for the "possibly/maybe upcoming marriage". Spoken from a believer from birth who spent years living outside of God's will, met a man and lived with him for 5 years before marrying him and finally as a couple coming back to church and God.... WHAT a struggle we've created for ourselves. We spent 5 years creating many traps, snares, and hurts that have caused chips on shoulders and certain subjects to be off limits for conversation now that we're married. What a mess we created for ourselves. We're in year 4 of marriage now and it's been rocky, but our commitment to God and the rise of divorce has caused us to "stick with it" even though we feel sometimes like throwing in the towel. As a backslidden believer when I was living "in sin" with my now husband I saw NOTHING wrong with it and actually chuckled at people who said it wasn't the way to do things. I thought I knew what I was doing and only now that I'm married and committed do I see all the moral and spiritual traps we fell into. We help raise my husband's 10 year old son and I spend much time thinking of how raising him in that environment showed him that it's "OK". I've began taking steps to simplify the subject and tell him how that's NOT the way to do things and why. Kid's do understand things like that even at the age of 8 and 10, if you start now and continue to drive it home hopefully we can raise a generation that won't make the mistakes some of us did!! Thank you for speaking out about this. God bless you and give you the words and courage to continue!
Oct 13, 2011 6:53 AM Guest jaded  says:
I agree that co-habitation is contrary to Biblical teaching.  However, the divorce laws of our nation have so ruined and contorted marriage from what God intended, that it is easy to understand the choice to forgoe the ultimate commitment - primarily because it is difficult if not impossible to judge whether your prospective spouse's commitment stacks up to the Biblical expectation.  With laws today, it is very easy for women to hit mid-life, decide they are not personally fullfilled to their expectations, go to court, grab the money and embark on their new life, focused on self and well taken care of via the last 20 or more years of hard work and savings by their now cast aside husband, irrespective of vows, irrespective of Biblical instruction, irrespective of impact on kids, irrespective of financial and emotional impact on all involved.  We have an increasingly self-centered society and true commitment is discouraged by no-fault divorce laws in our country.  Marriage as a covenant for life, between a man and a woman, forsaking all others, will be further diminished and diluted once the full affect of special laws for homosexual "marriage" increasingly infect our country.  What should be the most important covenant relationship of mankind has been perverted and diminished to the most easily broken promise and agreement in the land.
Oct 13, 2011 7:21 AM Guest Paula  says in response to Jenny:
Jenny and Tara, I identify with you both.  My husband and I were engaged for 2 months. (Also at the time not committed Christians)  Financially, I couldn't afford to live on my own.  We bought a house and moved in together.  We have been married over 12 years, and have a great family and relationship.  I think it can work if you have made a commitment to one another.  But I do agree with Esther that too many young adults are making the decision to cohabitat much too lightly without that commitment.
Oct 13, 2011 7:29 AM Guest graceissufficient  says in response to single guy:

Single guy,

The reason cohabitation "isn't good enough" is because when you have sex with someone, you form not only physical, but mental, spiritual, emotional bonds with them as well.  You literally "become one" with that person.  When you become one with someone, and then choose later to "break it off", you damage both people--for life.  Each of those people will then be comparing future relationships to the previous sexual partners they've had.  Each person will be forever "haunted" by the past sexual relationships they've had, whether they choose to marry in the future or not.  And those past relationships can wreak havoc on any future relationships you have.

For all those of you who are cohabiting currently--please, if you truly love the person you are with, make it "legal".  Those who are doing it for financial reasons, please, trust God to provide for your every need, He will be faithful if you put your life in His hands.

Oct 13, 2011 7:34 AM Guest Jeff  says in response to 2girlsmom:
My wife and I married when she was still in college 22+ years ago. We know the thought -wait till your done with school and all but the fact was we loved each other and wanted to be together (with God) and did not want to just live together. We don't regreat it. I tell young peole now that they should not wait for some magic date/amount of time. But make sure know that both want to give 100% and want God in the middle. ( if you wait till you are "settled" you may never get married
Oct 13, 2011 7:52 AM Guest Amber  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

 

I realize that you are not asking for my opinion, but my husband and I had to deal with the same situation. If your challenge is money, I would encourage you to trust God to make everything work out. If you are living in a way pleasing to God, abstaining from sex and not living together before marriage, He will take care of the money situation. Remember, it all belongs to him anyway. Maybe that means that both of you will not be able to afford individual, 2 bedroom apartments on the fifth floor, but I guarantee that He will provide exactly what you need and will exceed your expectations.

Many blessings on your marriage.

Amber

 

Oct 13, 2011 7:53 AM Guest Sharon  says in response to Matt:
Matt, if they are truly Christian they will not want to do that because the Bible says to "Abstain from the very appearance of evil."  They should no doubt be re-examining their commitment to Christ and being His followers in more light than previously done!
Oct 13, 2011 8:09 AM Guest Sharon  says in response to Arlene M.:
WOW!  You go, lady!  That is the perfect paragraph for how God looks on this situation, I believe!  Not only the above, but also He placed within every human being a need for companionship and love within the bounds of marriage that cannot and will not be satisfied ANY OTHER WAY!  Thanks for being a faithful soul to what God has ordained!
Oct 13, 2011 8:11 AM Guest Addie  says in response to Matt:
That would be 1 in 1000 couples? I'm sure I've not personally had the pleasure of meeting 2 people madly in love with each other who are able to control NATURAL passion while living together... It sounds good on paper but not even God would deliberately put them in that position (which, I'm not trying to be nasty - has "the appearance of evil") & how many onlookers would actually BELIEVE that they are being celibate in close quarters? I think they would be exacting cruel & unusual punishment on themselves, but if they can pull it off for the short term for whatever reason - more power to them! Go with God.
Oct 13, 2011 8:16 AM Guest Jolece  says in response to 2girlsmom:
to 2girls mom: I know the waiting to get married until after college was a concern of my parents for the same reason it was for you.  We absolutely knew we wanted to be married from our first date, and dated 3 years before engagement.  We wanted to uphold our Christian principles and also be practical.  We never lived together before marriage- I had an apartment nearby and we are both glad we waited for intimacy.  I was graduated, working, but we didn't want my fiance to be graduating, getting a new job, probably moving, and getting married - all in the same summer, without us having the right to go together.  It would've been a whole lot of stress on us all. Marrying  in the summer before his Senior year was our best choice- and it worked well.  In his last year of college, I worked full-time and he worked what he could.  It did not make him "lazy" or appear "lazy" by me making more money at the start.  It did not cause him to not finish college as planned. Things happened as we expected after graduation -a whirlwind in a few short months to a new job and away from our families, but together, already married and ready for whatever came at a moments notice!!! Eventually, I chose to work at home, and then be an at home mom.  Just because I had a big job at the beginning did not diminish his desire or ability to be a provider.  We have been married 23 years!  I know in theory it is best to graduate, get a job and apartment....before marrying.  I did have that, while he did not.  But he was totally ready for the committment and it was a good decision we have never once regretted.  I know each situation and individual is different, but I wanted to reassure you that there are instances it can be a good choice to marry while in the latter stages of college.  And I must say that having both sets of parents who support your well-thought-out decisions (whether or not they totally agree with them) is very important!  Your support will be long remembered for each little step that the couple took!  Make an effort to applaud them for waiting for marriage, for choosing to marry instead of co-habitating, for actually thinking through the pros and cons.  Probably the most painful years I remember were the 2 years we were in school away from each other, but they were necessary at our younger age just out of high school, just starting college.  He wrote me a letter EVERY day our first year in college away, and visited me once/week my second year in college.  Absence did make the heart grow fonder, but it was tough--I cried A LOT- and it only solidified our desire to be married.  I have to remind myself as a mom of a 15-year old that all too soon she will be that age- and it will be hard for me to view her decisions as mature.  But we can talk it over, share advice, pray about it, and be supportive when it does not conflict with God's plan.  When they are of college age and beyond, that is our new parental role.  When it does conflict with God's plan, we will have to  talk and pray harder--it will be hard seeing her make mistakes.
Oct 13, 2011 8:27 AM Guest Mary  says:
It is so unfortunate that there is no financial incentive to be married--many couples are definitely better off just from a financial position not to be married.  But that is not to say that, therefore, God "changes his rules" for them.  To live by Christian principles often requires sacrifice.  I have two friends who have made that sacrifice because they know marriage is definitely living their relationship God's way.  Kudos to them and others who have made the decision to be married in the face of government rules, tax regulations, etc. that would financially penalize them.  Maybe a good prayer would be that we would have the wisdom to elect legislators that would see the need to change some of these disincentives to be married.
Oct 13, 2011 8:28 AM Guest ryan  says:

Not sure if others are seeing this, but the color of the background conflicts with the color behind the text.  Gray/white contrast makes for quite a distracted reading.  Love your ministry!  Keep it up.

Oct 13, 2011 8:50 AM Guest Tara T  says in response to Matt:

Engaged Christian couples contemplating living together for financial reasons but planning on abstaining from sex until married are in denial, not to mention in rebellion toward God's will for their lives.  Either live apart and trust God for provision of finances or don't wait to get married: that would help to solve the financial situation and eliminate the sexual temptation.

Oct 13, 2011 9:01 AM Guest Cindy S  says in response to Matt:
     one point to make about that situation is that the bible tells us to avoid the appearance of evil. People watching you that know you are christians don't necessarily know you are abstaining from sex. It could be a stumbling block to someone elses walk with God.
Oct 13, 2011 8:53 AM Guest Kevin  says:

There is some really good research being done by a Sociologist at the University of Virginia on this topic.  Check out the link at

 

http://www.virginia.edu/marriageproject/

Oct 13, 2011 8:56 AM Guest Melissa  says in response to 2girlsmom:
I can relate to your daughter in wanting to get married. My dad asked my future husband to wait until I get out of college before I got married. Even though he had 2 more years to go, we knew that we loved each other and would be committed to each other in marriage. It wasn't easy the first few years even with one of us out of college but God helped us. We had to budget money for everything to make sure we had enough to live on. There are things we went without but found true value and appreciation in all the things that weren't monetary.  I worked fulltime and he went to school a quarter and then worked a quarter. ( 2 quarters = a semester). I am glad we went through this because we can so relate to people who are struggling now in this economy. Also, since your daughter is an adult, she needs to be making the decision on when to get married. You can give her all your advice and thoughts but the decision should be hers. Waiting until everything is "perfect" in your eyes, all which sounds great, will lead to sex before marriage because it is too long of a wait when you are truly in love. Also, could you require this of yourself if you were her?
Oct 13, 2011 9:01 AM Guest Stan  says in response to Jerry:
Hi Jerry, your Biblical interpretation is not as clear as you make it out to be. By the same logic you use Mark 10:7 to forbid cohabitation, one could also forbid children leaving their parents to live alone (which is silly). Furthermore, 1 Cor 7:8-9 only lends support to those who cohabitate while chaste. He says it's better to get married only if the couple can't control themselves. We need to be careful not to twist Scripture to fit our own preconceptions about what we think God's plan is.
Oct 13, 2011 9:38 AM Guest Pat P.  says in response to Jennifer B.:
Jennifer B., thanks to God you woke up & saw the futility of "trying to make things work".  He has a plan for you, whether it includes marriage or not, & obviously is bringing it about by working His work in your heart through your Christian friends & loving family.  What should you do next? Make Him your first love now; pursue HIM through, worship, prayer & solid bible studies (I highly recommend a "Precepts" study by Kay Arthur - maybe they have a study group like this in your church).  Ask God to lead you to a godly woman in your church/community who can give you wise counseling and mentoring.  Ask God to help you to be content in the circumstance you are in now (as a single woman).  Such contentment truly has to come from God changing your heart - you cannot "make" yourself content, no matter how hard you try. Like many women, I had wanted more than anything to be married and have children.  I was so lonely, so desired to be loved.  At age 33 I gave up waiting for God to bring me a spouse, & tried to find "love" myself.  I turned my back on the One who truly loves me. After several emotionally painful, sexual relationships w/men who used me, God brought me back to Him, & healed my pain. He can bring you a godly man who, no matter what you've done, can love you. BUT you must be able to say to God, "not my will, but YOURS be done." Are you willing to be single the rest of your life, if that's His plan?  He helped me to want His will, & I started ministering to my other lonely girlfriends, & became content w/ the idea of never marrying. That's when, at age 36, God brought my dear husband of 17 yrs into my life. He was a virgin, but loved me just as I was. I don't know God's plan for you, but I know His plans for His beloved ones are good. Trust HIM w/your fears, insecurities, healing, & redemption. He is good & loves you more than any man. Even if He does bring you a husband, always love God first. Make Him your priority. And remember, it's NOT up to YOU to "find a marriage God will bless".  If He has marriage in His plans for you, then HE will BRING it to you. And if HE brings you marriage, He will definitely bless it, dear sister.  I will be praying for you, Jennifer, that you will find healing & contentment in the One who loves you more than anyone.
Oct 13, 2011 9:09 AM Guest John P  says in response to Matt:
Isn't the one area that God says to test him to know that He is God is  in the area of finances? I think when we try to rationalize cohabitation  based on a financial decision we are removing God from the equation of  providing for us. We could be missing out on a new direction He has for  our life and providing in ways we never thought possible! As far as  cohabiting to save money, people do rent rooms out in their home, others  need room mates who are also christians and of the the same sex and  want to put God first. I think it really boils down to: Do we really  trust God for the day to day part of our lives? He wants to be a part of  it! We need to honor Him first.
Oct 13, 2011 9:13 AM Guest Ed  says in response to 2girlsmom:
If they are spiritually and emotionally ready for marriage, then why wait for material wealth?  Becasue the world says to do so?  Most of my friends married their college sweethearts after graduating from college and then went on to grad school.  (I did so after my first year of grad school and found that my focus and maturity improved vastly in my remaining years of grad school as a result of being married and having more responsibility).   Student loans and a part-time job were more than sufficient to cover expenses and also taught us the importance of good stewardship with our limited finances, which has contributed to our financial success today with 6 children.  My cousin did the same thing and is a successful surgeon (note: 8 yrs of med school while married) today with 6 kids.  Two other friends did likewise and are dentists with 4 and 5 kids respectively, and another is a college professor with 3 kids.  So, we all have doctorates and are very successful in the world's eyes, yet never sought worldy wealth but instead followed God's plan, seeking first the Kingdom of God and holiness by builidng strong Christian families.  Simply, our bank accounts or financial comfort don't matter in heaven.  Mt 6:24-34.
Oct 13, 2011 2:23 PM Guest Stan  says in response to Hal_Jordan:
Hal, you asked, "Is it okay to lie if it saves you money? If killing your boss would mean you'd get promoted with a nice raise, would you? Would you bow to another god if someone paid off your credit card?" These are false analogies, since nothing in the Bible explicitly forbids cohabitation.
Oct 13, 2011 9:26 AM Guest TD3  says:
I am a 40 + woman who has done relationships with and without co-habitation.  Relationship 1) Cohabitation was justified by the costs (and passion). We did try to abstain during the engagement. Truly we lied to ourselves and eachother, mostly our parents. We married, but it was a chaotic union, constant arguements public and private that included abuse, and order of protection, then a really messy divorce that causes me pain to this day. (yes we had children and they suffer as a result of our actions) Ring true of the 3-4 generations? By the way I was injured so badly that I could not walk for several days and now many years later, I have chronic pain as a consequence of my decision. Relationship 2) Was unexpected (blind date) and family and friends told me to "play the field." I had become more tuned to my faith and took a leap trusting God with this relationship. I made up rules of behavior for myself and shared them with my best college girlfriend, who laughed and said "you can't do this - I know you!". This skeptic was my accountablity princess.  I remember the day I told my now husband of 10 years:  "I don't believe in sex before marriage.  You should know this." I was filled with fear and panic as I knew that this might be the end of the relationship.  It only intesified his desire for me.  I was wowed.  He later stated that, it was acutally a relief and he could move on without worry.  We have a great and respectful union.  I do not live in fear that he will leave and though (currently) we face difficult circumstances I can come to him without fear that he will bail on me. (I had thought that Happy marriages were a myth).  He is a man that leads our family (blended).  It is not perfect, but it is without the strife.  So. . . life and the pit can be a slippery slope.  For you Naysayers. . . . . . . . listen up. . read proverbs again.  Read God's word on marriage. Read Dave Gudels book with FACTS and STATs on why cohabitation is the best road to the multigenerational pain of divorce.  So from one who has been there.  I've listened to the World, my selfish desires and then lastly to The Holy Spirit and God.  Wise up.
Oct 13, 2011 9:30 AM Guest Karen C.  says:
These arguments are in themselves specious given the rate of divorce among Christians.
Oct 13, 2011 9:29 AM Guest TD3  says in response to Mary:
There is financial incentive.  The media just doesn't tell you about it, 70% of poverty is averted by 1) finishing high school 2) Getting married 3) Waiting until you are married to have children.  --Do not be decieved.
Oct 13, 2011 9:31 AM Guest Rosemary  says:
My 26 year old nephew just got married two weeks ago to the girl he had been living with, on and off for a couple of years. They will need and have my prayers. His mom asked him after the wedding if he felt any different now that they are married. He said, 'no, not really'....except now they felt more he felt more free to be in the same room with her and his parents at the same time. Free from guilt, I guess. But its so sad that their wedding didn't make much difference in their lives. I hope they will both make the commitment to Christ that can bind them together for life and bring them true joy in their marriage.
Oct 13, 2011 9:31 AM Guest David  says:

I believe that living together outside of marriage is wrong according to the Bible.

Some people probably do it to save on rent expense,... if they do it, I hope that they would do it with the same sex and have seperate bedrooms.  (Even then, people could get the wrong idea, if their mind is in the gutter).   

Oct 13, 2011 9:38 AM Guest Ray  says in response to Paula:

Well said Paula.  I know of very few men that can keep their hormones in check when they are with a beautiful young lady that they love and admire.  I've been married for 30 years now and we didn't live together before marriage - and while we rushed in to marriage within 5 months of meeting each other and really now knowing each other well we still made that commitment to God and remained married even through some tough times. 

 

I believe Esther's article is very relevant today and intend to show it to my daughter in hopes she will read and heed the pitfalls of this kind of lifestyle.

Oct 13, 2011 9:41 AM Guest cynthia  says:

  Only those who have experienced the amazing, saving grace of Jesus and love God with a passion will understand that to obey His Word brings joy and blessing. If obeying God's Word is a hardship and not a delight then there is a heart issue and the question to be asked is, "do I really know Him am I really a Christian?"  We all sin but when we belong to Christ there is a time that we face that sin and desire to be obedient.  I have three beautiful children who are 23 ,21 and 15, two girls,one boy.  My prayer as a mom has always been for my children to love God with all their heart...by His grace they do.  They have a vital relationship with the Lord and by His grace have remained pure and are obedient to God's Word- 1 Cor 6:18, 1 Thes 4:3. 

Why shouldn't we live together or have sex before marriage because God our Father who created us tells us not to; He loved us so much that He sacrificed His only son, Jesus and out of a love for Him we obey. God has left us His Holy Spirit to guide us and help us in our walk- John 16 7-12. He also has entrusted us with the gospel message to bring to the lost so don't you think He will give us the power to live as he says?  As we draw closer to God we become more conscious of our helplessness and begin to understand that apart from Him we can do nothing. When we learn to go to God in prayer and wait quietly in His presence, as we listen to His Spirit, God will give us the faith to believe that He will do above all that we can ask or think. God is faithful!

Oct 13, 2011 9:49 AM Guest DK  says in response to Matt:
Matt, it's an age-old argument that is easily answered...get a roommate.  She's more special to you than that, right?!?
Oct 13, 2011 10:02 AM Guest Power Grab  says:

For those who say that living together is to help them "get to know" the other person, I have this recommendation:

 

Take a L-O-O-O-O-N-G road trip in a car with your significant other AND HIS/HER PARENTS! Give yourself a chance to get good and tired of each other!

 

If you're a gal, watch for how the guy's dad treats his mom. If you're a guy, watch for how the girl's mom treats her dad.

 

On a long road trip in close quarters, the masks come down, and the real person appears. Seriously ask yourself if you can stand being treated like the parents treat each other under those conditions.

 

Also remind yourself about how prevalent STDs are these days.  And don't be so gullible, girls! It used to be that most girls would be more likely to hold the line than guys, but media these days make it seem like girls have as little self control (or should have?) as guys. Remember, girls, there's more to life than what happens between the sheets. Frankly, I can't shake the idea that promoting promiscuity is just a way for the abortion industry to increase its level of business. Who wants to help them prosper? Not I!

Oct 13, 2011 10:04 AM Guest Jenny  says in response to Matt:
Matt to me, living together just before marriage is like asking Satin to come tease your hormones every waking moment.  Hopefully couples that are getting married are highly attracted to each other and prolonged routine alone time, especially just before the marriage is asking for trouble.  It was hard enough to stay pure until marriage without having a joint apartment.  Also, consider that during the engagement period you CAN still break it off without breaking vows so it's still tempting the trial run break off.
Oct 13, 2011 10:05 AM Guest Carter  says:
Thanks for the wonderful information, keep up the good word; this information is needed. I enjoyed reading many (didn't read all) of the comments. As we live for God and what His Word says, the Holy Bible helps us to make the decisions necessary in life. "There is a way the seems right..." (Prov 14:12). In the Prov 4:11-26 a father is talking to his children about the path and the way to go in living life. Many people don't believe the Word of God therefore they live how they want. My wife and I have made many mistakes before marriage, including premarital sex; and we paid dearly for it. One of the main things we do now is teach our children better, and make sure they are around godly examples of righteous living. Let me say this: as much as sex clouds decision making, so does living together before marriage. People, young and old simple need to know that God knows what He is talking about. The Bible of FULL of accounts of people doing things their way and following the path God says not to, and how their lives turned out troubly. There were times when God will totally eliminate families, so that no one else would follow their way of living. I read many testimonies today and I know there are going to be people who choose to do it their way, not God's way, but please hear our hearts when we say, if you don't fully pay for the direction you start down, just know the doors that were open, your children will walk through it and pay a price for you going that way. Finally, as good as the words are that I read today, if you won't read the Word of God and follow His direction, it is highly unlikely you will read and follow what we have wrote here. Grace and Peace
Oct 13, 2011 10:06 AM Guest Sharon  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

First, I have never understood why it is cheaper financially to live together unmarried than married.  Anyway if you are trusting the Lord and obeying Him, He will bless you and make it work out.  Engaged, living together, and abstaining?  Is that really possible?!! Maybe, but you are putting yourselves in a ton of temptation, and even if you never give in you have destroyed your testimony.  No one is really going to believe you are not having sex.  This is not glorifying to God - trust me on this one!!  Honor Him with your life and He will honor you for it.  The best way to ensure you will be in love for a lifetime is to first be in love with Jesus.  I appreciate your concern to do the right thing.  God bless.

Oct 13, 2011 10:13 AM Guest Jerimiah  says in response to Barbara:
Moving in together at anytime, even after getting engaged, has the same chances and effects. An engagement is not the same as a marriage in commitment. Many do these things for a test drive, which shows the lack of committment, or for financial reasons. For the first, a test drive is lacking committment which is the problem and if getting married why not do it right and not increase the problems, such as not sharing a bed and having sex before marriage. If for financial reasons, is a few extra dollars in the bank worth damaging a marriage and each others' sense of security and entering into sin. Would it not show the culture and world, and even more so your future spouse how committed you are when you are willing to do that which is costly for the sake of holiness in the relationship. Integrity and holiness are proved not when there is no cost, but when there is cost and more when the cost is high. This son in ministry undermined the gospel, his holiness, and a great opportunity to be a witness. He also violated the standards for being a deacon or overlord in the church.
Oct 13, 2011 10:20 AM Guest Joe  says in response to Chris:

I must agree with you Chris about this article's content and layout.  This is such an important subject and it seems to have been treated very poorly here.  The link promised, in effect, "5 Reasons Not to Live Together Before Marriage" .  Then the only mention of that is bullet points that were some sociologist, the first being that the woman is later more likely to be physically abused.  There just has been better research out there to point to.  I think the article could have been much more well-rounded with facts, scripture and maybe personal antidotes. I hope that Focus on the Family does a follow - up to this.

Oct 13, 2011 10:21 AM Guest Jerimiah  says in response to Mom:
I have a fellow student in medical school who has done as you see fit. His girlfriend is Mohawk and if she marries outside of the tribe, she loses her tribal membership as does their infant daughter. He is not a member of the tribe. This and what you have said are examples of why Focus on the Family exists and works to change laws to support not damage family. You have stated how money is a factor, but is it not better for the child to know love, committment and sacrifice. My generation, I'm 28 years old, and the like do not know unconditional love, love with sticks through no matter what, love which must be shown in a marriage, or committment, which can be seen in how we do work at a job even, or sacrifice, making the hard choices and bearing the consequences of our actions.
Oct 13, 2011 10:32 AM Guest Dan  says:
The decision to fornicate is ones decision against the Holy Spirits leading and of course Jesus' saying that if you love me you will keep my commandments. What relationship are you cultivating or worshipping first.That becomes your Adam and Eve moment. By putting the Kingdom of God first you are putting God to the test of a blessed outcome. The idols of financial, and other irrational gods, will cheat you out of your earthly annointing to make other wise decisions and your eternally abiding reward. Jesus said, He that has my  commandments and keeps them,he it is that loves me, and he that loves me will be loved of my Father, and I will love and will manifest myself to him John 14:21 God (the Trinity) always gives the way of escape from the evil to the good. Who is going to take charge and lead the way in this decision? If it is you the man, God bless you, if it is you the woman you may want to look for a someone who will provide commendment keeping leadership. Prayer time; God take anyone out of my life that is not in your will for me right now.
Oct 13, 2011 10:36 AM Guest Sharon  says in response to cynthia:

Cynthia,

You said it girl!!  That is right on!

Oct 13, 2011 11:15 AM Guest Jesse K  says:

Titus wrote:
"All is pure to those who are pure. But to those who are corrupt and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their minds and consciences are corrupted. THEY PROFESS TO KNOW GOD BUT WITH THEIR DEEDS THEY DENY HIM, since they are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed.

"But as for you, communicate the behavior that goes with sound teaching. Older men are to be temperate, dignified, self-controlled, sound in faith, in love, and in endurance. Older women likewise are to exhibit behavior fitting for those who are holy, not slandering, not slaves to excessive drinking, but teaching what is good.

"In this way they will train the younger women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be self-controlled, pure, fulfilling their duties at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, so that the message of God may not be discredited. Encourage younger men likewise to be self-controlled, showing yourself to be an example of good works in every way. In your teaching show integrity, dignity, and a sound message that cannot be criticized, so that any opponent will be at a loss, because he has nothing evil to say about us." (Titus 1:15-2:8)




All these questions really come down to the original lie to Eve, that either God is withholding something good from us or He really doesn't know what is best for us. Are you going to believe that?

If finances, friend's opinions, parent's opinions, and the pressure of society have more influence over a person than the Word of God, is it true that the Spirit of Christ is dwelling in that person? Jesus said, "I can do nothing on my own initiative. Just as I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I do not seek my own will, but the will of the one who sent me." (John 5:30) If we are listening to the Holy Spirit, we will also put His will above our own!

Romans 8 explains it very well.
"Those who are in the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, IF INDEED THE SPIRIT OF GOD LIVES IN YOU. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, this person does not belong to him. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is your life because of righteousness." (Romans 8:8-10)

I believe it is impossible to be a virgin until marriage by human will and strength alone. The emotional intimacy that comes with a committed loving relationship leads naturally to physical intimacy, and nothing but the power from above can enable us to wait until marriage. But IT IS possible, we waited and like so many said, I don't regret it one bit. So many will say, "You have to know how they are in bed before it's too late." I say, if that's the main reason you're getting married, you're in for trouble anyway. What if your spouse is injured or paralyzed and can't have sex for the last 20 years of your married life? It happens. Sure, many would divorce, but would you? If you were the one who became paralyzed or unable to speak with and care for your spouse, would you want them to leave you?

Jesus said, "Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." (Mark 10:9)

To love like Christ is not about how much someone else can do for me, but rather how much I can do for them.

Jesus said, "If you obey my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. ... My commandment is this – to love one another just as I have loved you. No one has greater love than this – that one lays down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you. ... This I command you – to love one another." (John 10:12-14, 17)

If you don't care about the words of Christ, what right do you have to call yourself a Christian???

--A twenty-something

Oct 13, 2011 11:22 AM Guest Robin  says in response to 2girlsmom:
20 plus years ago it was not uncommon for Christian couples to get married halfway through college. Three of my cousins and my pastor did that and they are all still married. Is it ideal? Maybe not, but I'd much rather my kids did that than cohabitate.
Oct 13, 2011 11:25 AM Guest w  says in response to Matt:
Why risk it?  I don't believe that there would be no hanky panky happening if couples are living together.  The temptation is too big to test, especially for guys.   In any case, a civil wedding is a pretty good option if finances are the reason.  As a married guy, I would say just MAN UP!  No excuses!
Oct 13, 2011 11:40 AM Guest L. J.  says in response to Carol:
There are scars. Both of us were committed Christians.When we became engaged, we finally had sex after knowing each other 3 years. Of course, the 1st time we did, I got pregnant! My to-be mother in law urged us to abort even while planning the wedding because of future ministerial prospects. My husband and I have never had sex before each other and never lived together but because of the pressures at that time we aborted. It is a decision we will always regret. My husband has always been a wonderful man and loving father and we have been married long enough to have grandchildren, but we still regret earlier decisions we made in our youth.
Oct 13, 2011 11:31 AM Guest Dee  says in response to Matt T.:
Matt, if its the financial situation which causes a person to feel they need to live together, why not you live with another guy or guys, and your girlfriend live with other girls?  Finances can be eased by this and you both can honor God's way.  Plus, if the temptation to have sex before marriage is not there now, it may be at some time.  Why put yourself and her thru that?
Oct 13, 2011 11:44 AM Guest Marie  says in response to Jennifer B.:
@Jennifer B. - First of all, good for you for getting out of that situation!  That takes a lot of strength and courage, character qualities which will help you so much in your future Christian walk.  I too, made that mistake, not once, but twice.  I have been happily married to the second guy now for 14 years, but that doesn't make it okay.  I regret very much those mistakes of the past, because it taints my witness to my kids and others.  Our marriage has been pretty good though, mostly because we eventually learned to communicate better, and stopped focusing on just ourselves as individuals.  The stronger we both have become in our faith, the stronger our marriage has become, it's amazing.  I still struggle with intimacy issues, though, which I'm sure are a result of old choices, but it's definitely getting better!  However, I can tell you, it has also made me stronger and more determined than ever to "walk the walk" these days.  I didn't have much of a Christian upbringing and was saved in the midst of a lot of poor choices in my younger years, and still didn't choose to live my life for the Lord until after my first child was born.  I can tell you that pressing on, making good choices now, and just taking each day, asking the Lord to lead you in His direction, is the best way to go.  The right guy will come along, and he will accept and love you, even with a broken past.  He may have a broken past of his own.  But I wouldn't date a guy that isn't a Christian (big gamble, if you do), and look for one that has strong values.  You want someone that will be a good head of your house someday, always keep that in mind.  That learned behavior is difficult to overcome, but it can be done. Get involved at a church with a group your age, who have similar godly goals, and it makes a lot of difference.  My life did not turn around until I made the choice to connect with other Christians, not just once in a while, but as a HUGE part of my life.  God will bless a future marriage for you, He does work all things together for good...AND you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you! Phil. 4:13   Hugs & prayers, Jennifer!      
Oct 13, 2011 11:49 AM Guest Kathryn and Holy Spirit  says:

The Lord

Oh how the Lord is always at our call,

Oh how the  Lord allows our fall,

He has a special reason for every action we take,

good things and bad are not just from fate,

When one accepts Christ as their Savior they receive Heaven's eternal life, but never forget it is how we live that influences how our glory in God's sight. Don't be swayed by people that just live for themselves,  because it is what really matters is what we give of ourselves. Our strenghth comes from endurance from our harder times, so don't waste your time worrying about all the world's crimes. For the Lord expects His followers to show happiness and love and to portray a humble spirit like a dove.

So keep your eyes and ears open, looking forward to when Jesus comes back. Until then always remember He sees us through thick and thin, that is a fact!

Oct 13, 2011 12:02 PM Guest Amy  says:
Thank you, thank you for being champions for marriage and family.  Divorce is no longer the greatest danger for our families (and churches) but it's the big C - cohabitation - that poses the greatest risks.  Thank you for being a voice and also educating Focus supporters with additional facts and resources (scripture is still the best resource!) to help make the case.
Oct 13, 2011 11:55 AM Guest ken  says:

Marriage and/or living together does not guarantee or reduce the chance of divorce.

 

Sex before marriage is just as wrong as homosexuality.  Be true to God in all things

Oct 13, 2011 12:37 PM Guest Jo Anne  says:

It seems our society rewards those who co-habitate and have children

outside of wedlock.

My son, 19 years young, just told me of friends he knows who

have been living together for several years and our now expecting

their first child. His female friend told him she plans to return to

school with the money she will get for her child, as she will be

considered a single parent, although she lives with her partner.

My son was quite surprised. He lives on his own and works hard

for "pennies." Until our society stops rewarding irresponsibility, it

makes good business sense to not get married. This is a huge

mistake for the future of our society.

Oct 13, 2011 2:30 PM Guest Belinda  says in response to Julia:
God makes it clear, pre-marital sex is fornication.  To try to justify sin because you don't want to believe it, doesn't negate the fact, it is sin.   I've lived the life, had to repent and will not back away from the fact that I sinned, and thankfully, the blood of Christ covered my sin.
Oct 13, 2011 1:17 PM Guest Gwen  says:

I am responding to Jim Daly's request to provide input.  I can only conclude that he meant for input to be provided via this means, since there seems to be no link to an email address. . . .We have a daughter (youngest of our children) who has chosen to live with her "boyfriend" (who, incidentally, is a fine young man) without benefit of marriage.  This is the sixth year of this arrangment.  When this first occurred, we were at a loss as to what to do -- how to relate to her -- the effect that it would have on our young grandchildren in the family -- what about family reunions where overnight stays are necesssary, -- but most of all "WHAT WOULD JESUS DO?"

 

At the time of the infamous "moving in" episode, I sought the name of a Christian counselor in our home town, already vetted by Focus on the Family.  Focus' Counseling Dept. was kind enough to search the counselor list for one who was a specialist in Parent-Adult Child relationships.  He was awesome at helping us!  My husband had already sent an email to our daughter, stating our disapproval of this situation, in light of its being against God's will, and against the values of our family, and not in her best interest.  The counselor agreed that this was the important first step.  Next, by walking me through scripture, he was able to show me that our next step was to love her fully and completely, and re-establish the parent-child relationship.  We did so, and while our entire family is extremely disappointed in her decision, and in this relationship situation, we relate to her as lovingly as possible -- as well as to her boyfriend.

 

They both know that sleeping together in our home is not acceptable.  And so, when they come for a visit, they either stay elsewhere or stay in separate bedrooms here.  We don't take "all-family" vacations any more, because we're not going to subsidize a room for the two of them.  So, in that regard, many things have changed.  But the counselor's advice to love her warmly and genuinely has enabled us to preserve, protect, and even advance our relationship.  Their situation is still extremely painful for all of us, and we don't see that changing, but we have been able to preserve a loving relationship with her, above all.  Periodically, when certain situations arise that present difficulty, I go back to the wonderful counselor, who is beyond invaluable in his assistance!  Thank you, Focus on the Family, for this amazing service that you provide to your constitutents of referring us to counselors in our area whom you know we can trust!!!

Oct 13, 2011 12:52 PM Guest julie  says in response to Matt T.:

A true christian would not want to do anything that would displease god...avoiding the very appearance of evil.

Oct 13, 2011 12:51 PM Guest Heidi  says in response to Matt:

The Bible says to not even have a hint of immorality.  That situation, living together, but not having sex, is a poor witness, and a very tempting situation for the engaged couple.

Oct 13, 2011 12:55 PM Guest Jamie  says in response to Paula:
Amen Paula!  My husband lost his apartment 2 months before we got married and so with our pastor's permission and abstaining from sex, we moved in together.  I'm telling you if it had been much longer, we may not have made it to the wedding night without having sex!  When you love someone and are living with them, it's hard not to share every part of yourself with them.
Oct 13, 2011 1:13 PM Guest Keith  says:
As a pediatrician who cares for a poor population, I can tell you without doubt that the number one moral problem facing America is fatherlessness; not abortion; not divorce.   These are only symptoms.  The root issue is fatherlessness and cohabitation is the cause.  I have been seeing this tide rise for almost 10 years.  In my setting I deal every day with what will become mainstream in 10 years.  Almost none of my newborn patients have married parents.  I appreciate Esther's perspective, but often our perspective of issues is based on the people and culture we are most familiar with.  The vast majority of people who are cohabitating are not church kids that get hurt.  The vast majority are not dealing with this issue on a rational level at all.  For decades the church has been bemoaning divorce rates, not realizing that for at least two decades the issue has shifted in the culture.  Divorce is no longer the issue because most people (the poor, unsuccessful, not so attractive type) don't even consider marriage an option.  They have never seen a marriage work and if they did they would not be likely to believe it could happen to them.  Everybody longs for long and lasting relationships, someone to stay beside them through thick and thin; but for the average young mother that I deal with, that is about as likely as winning the lottery; and they give it just about that much thought.  It would be awesome to be a millionaire, smart, successful and married; but that's "not my reality."  As a whole, this generation lacks vision for marriage and the basic skills to be married.  I see little difference in outcome between those who do and who do not get married before starting their family.  Perhaps the picture I have painted sounds a bit pessimistic to you (its not your reality), but you will see it in 10-15 years.  I am watching culture change before my eyes every day.  Individually and as a society our only hope is another great spiritual awakening; the kind that changes individuals and society from the inside out.  In the end, all of our moral problems are only symptoms of spiritual death.  If everybody starts getting married because we change social policies or convince the church kids "this is best for you," it will not change the condition of the heart.  We are not socialists.  We are the church of the living God and our solution is unchanging... Be born again; not just the sinner's prayer "born again,"; the filled with the Spirit of Christ, changed from the inside out kind of "born again."
Oct 13, 2011 1:27 PM Guest Jake  says in response to Jennifer B.:
Hey Jennifer,

 

The key is to focus on God,  obviously.  Focus on becoming the right woman instead on finding the  right man.  As we pursue God and seek Him first, He will bless.  He'll  probably plop that perfect guy right in front of you when you're not  even looking:)  As for no longer having what's yours to give, if you are God's child (acknowleged you're a sinner, believe in Jesus Christ that He died for  your sins and rose again in victory over sin and accept Him in your  heart as your Savior)  you have been forgiven, and the man He has in mind for you will also  forgive.  I would encourage you to get involved in your church (use and develop the skills and gifts He's given you) and perhaps seek out a mentorship relationship with another woman in the  church; somone you can share these things with and who you look up to as  a solid Christian woman who has a relationship with her husband that  you admire.

 

God takes care of and heals His kids.  And He'll probably use what He's teaching you to help others.  I hope this helps.

 

<><Jake

Oct 13, 2011 1:38 PM Guest Jesse K  says in response to Jo Anne:

I agree that our society rewards irresponsibility.

It makes good business sense to:

- Not report all your income

- Not report cash sales for a business, saving both sales tax and income tax

- Not report the boyfriend's income so a "single mother" can collect welfare, medical assistance, and food stamps.

- Buy personal items with your business account so the money is "pre-tax" rather than "after-tax"


But as a disciple of Christ, we choose to obey Him even if it costs us a lot of money, right? Or does money mean more to us than pleasing our Father and Lord and Master?

And a related question...is it society's job to make it easy to be a Christian?

Oct 13, 2011 2:02 PM Guest Grace P  says in response to 2girlsmom:
For 2girlsmom  My daughter and her husband were engaged but both wanted to go to Grad school.  I encouraged them to get married and figure out how they could pay for each other to go to school.  They both had parttime jobs -  which the college helped them get - and although it wasn't easy, they made it through and 20 years later they are still happily married with 6 kids.
Oct 13, 2011 2:37 PM Guest Jana  says in response to Julia:

The Bible is VERY clear about this!!

Oct 13, 2011 4:16 PM Guest Charlene  says:
I personally am really grateful that Focus "tells it like it is" when it comes to cohabitation. As a Christian, I have always felt that it was wrong, but it's nice to have the statistics to show that God says no to cohabitation because in the end it's worse for us, not because he's a tyrant. I know people who are living together, and even my dad doesn't really seem to have an issue with it, so with so many people around me saying that it's okay, I really appreciate Focus being the voice of reason that encourages me to stick by my convictions and hold on to what is morally right.
Oct 13, 2011 5:37 PM Guest fulltimedadof2  says in response to Terri:
What makes anyone think that marriage doesn't mean the other has a foot out the door?  Marriage locks you in and when the woman decides to leave for whatever reason they do so and do so financially set due to our countries legal system.
Oct 13, 2011 6:15 PM Guest Eliz  says in response to Joyce:
I can really empathize with this point as I have seen this first hand in my own mother-in law's life. She was only 54 when her 59 yr old husband died of Alzheimers disease. She chose to remarry 2 yrs later and lost his military pension. I think it's the right thing to do, in light of those who choose "not to get one piece of paper (marriage certificate) in order to lose another" (pension). But now as grandparents, it is imperative for them to model to their grandchildren, now teens, that living together is always wrong. Either you trust God to suply your needs or you don't. It isn't right to tell them they shouldn't live together as christians in their 20's for whatever reason if gramma and step-grandpa do in their 60's and 70's. I could more urgently argue for a change in the laws discontinuing those govt checks than I could for them to co-habitate outside of marriage to keep them.
Oct 13, 2011 6:15 PM Guest Eliz  says in response to Joyce:
I really appreciate this point and feel for those losing hard earned pensions due to choosing to re-marry. However for those CHRISTIANS who refuse "to get one piece of paper (marriage license) in order not to lose another" (pension check) are being dishonest with themselves. I know that sounds harsh. I could more strongly argue and advocate for those elderly who choose to remarry KEEP their pension checks rather than having to relinquish them than I could for them to cohabitate and set a bad example for their (step) grandchildren as is the case of my mother-in-law. She choose to remarry 2 yrs after her 59yr old husband died of Alzheimer's Disease. She was only 54 when he died and she lost his military pension when she remarried. But she honored God and He supplies their needs.
Oct 13, 2011 6:16 PM Guest Liza  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

It's also about the appearance of evil. If you honor and trust your Father in Heaven financial reasons would be the least of your worries. God is the Great Provider.

Oct 13, 2011 5:57 PM Guest Shira  says:

I was a 30 year old virgin when I got married.  I was 15 when I made the decision to save myself for my future huband.  It wasn't always easy, but God kept me faithful.  My husband knew the importance of protecting my innocense before we were married, and I still have so much respect for that!  We both wanted to do things right, God's way.  We've been married for almost 4 years and are very blessed and satisfied in our marriage.  I'm so glad I saved myself for my husband, he was so worth the wait!

Oct 13, 2011 6:09 PM Guest Shira  says in response to Jake:
I was a virgin, but my husband wasn't when we got married.  Before we were married, my husband asked me to forgive him for his past relationships.  I had to work through the hurt of that and come to the place of forgiveness.  I know the Lord sees him as clean because he asked Jesus for forgiveness.  As I forgave him, I was able to fully give myself to him without the fear of being compared.
Oct 14, 2011 9:14 AM Guest Hope  says:

Hello, I have cohabitated twice got divorced once and then remarried to the second and the second husband and I are on rocky ground, almost all of the examples you gave sound true to the core. Just how much should a person take when you make the vows "till death do us part"  and "for better or worse" ? Just how far and how much should you let it go, since divorce is also wrong according to the scriptures.

 

Hi Hope,

 

I just wanted to thank you for being so open with us.  I'm sorry to hear that things between you and your husband are tough right now, and want you to know we're praying for you.  Also, as you raised some really good questions, I thought I'd mention that you can call our counselors (free of charge) to talk these things through.  It's just good when we can support each other, and we want to be here for you and others in this community in any way we can.  Hope to hear from you soon!

 

Sunny

FOTF Moderator 

Oct 13, 2011 7:08 PM Guest Ali  says in response to Dolly C.:

Of course everyone is precious to Him, but I must disagree on one thing. Just because a man is "living for the Lord" does not mean that he wants the "rest of the package." Also, just because a man doesn't live for the Lord doesn't mean that he won't respect you and your boundaries and love you all the most for who you are.

My ex boyfriend "lived for the Lord." He studied the bible daily, he went to church twice a week, he went to every church activity he could and asked his elders about things in the bible he didn't understand. He didn't carry this love to people or any sort of relationship though. He emotionally abused me and pushed for sex, not caring about anything else. 

My boyfriend now is an Athiest.  He would not place a single finger on any place on my body that made me uncomfortable, he would never push me into doing something I didn't want to, and his favorite thing about me is my "beautiful face," especially when I smile, and his favorite thing to do is to cuddle me and hold me close, telling me how wonderful I am. He is truly one of the most moral, kind, and caring men I have ever met.

 

Don't trust a guy just because he loves the Lord. Trust him by how he respects you, listens to you, and by whether or not you can see the love he has for you in his eyes when he looks into yours.

Oct 13, 2011 7:24 PM Guest Kelley  says in response to Matt:

Matt,

 

As Christians, we are called to avoid the near occasion of sin. This means we do not put ourselves into situations where we are likely to fall into sin. We don't tempt ourselves. Two people who are engaged are obviously attracted to each other. They are playing with fire to live in the same house and expect to maintain purity. In addition, we are to be a good witness to our neighbors. What would neighbors naturally assume is going on behind closed doors (even if it isn't)? God bless you.

Oct 13, 2011 8:11 PM Guest Steve  says:
As a baby-boomer approaching 60 all too quickly, I have this to say about the current generation's propensity to cohabition - it's our fault.  People have a God-ordained, built-in desire for a one man - one woman permanent relationship.  But my generation, with its rampant divorce rate, has frightened the millenials into making every possible effort to avoid it.  In their human reason, they've gravitated to cohabitation in a misguided attempt to 'make sure' they won't fall into the devastating trap of divorce.  As Jim (and others) points out, though, the lie they believe is that cohabitation will give them this assurance.  Just the opposite, confining sex to the marital bond alone, is true, as the research attests.  A great book to read about this is David Gudgel's _Before You Live Together_.
Oct 13, 2011 9:13 PM Guest Nadia  says:

I am a Jesus follower, thirty-something, and cohabitated with my husband before getting married. I don't condone living together nor do I condemn it. I know what the consequences of my cohabitation were and I decided to bear it, taking every moment to God. But my decision to live with my then-boyfriend, at age 33, was not to "test-drive" marriage. There were other reasons, not desire or to "save money". But ultimately, I made the decision to accept people's, and Christians' at that, judgment because it was something I'd have to work out between God and myself; ultimately I acknowledged that it was more important to be accountable to God rather than the pointing fingers in the church. What was more disappointing to me was the lack of Christ-like love and approach towards me. It is how I learned that a lot of people in the church are quick to condemn and judge a person before they even know the whole story, and fail to start with the basis of understanding. Jesus approached sinners with love and compassion, reaching them where they were and transforming them with His mercy and grace. And where He judged, He had every right to as He is God.

 

Young people have different reasons for cohabiting, and sometimes the reasons of a twenty-something are different from the reasons of a thirty-something. Personally, I believe that there ought to be more people in the church who are willing to walk along side the young people and be more approachable so that young people can come to them for advice. I had no one to really talk to because my fear was that it would be an immediate judgment reaction. And if we have that perception, the greater the likelihood we would rely on our own conscience and judgment.

 

But I take comfort in the fact that I brought to God all my struggles, my shames, and my guilt. I accepted consequences like judgment, ostracizing, gossip, and loss of friends. But I also believe that no one is perfect. Even if I may not be cohabiting before marriage, I may not be honoring my parents or I may be envying someone else or hating people in my heart, or even being haughty like those Christ often criticized in His days on the earth. So I'd rather not cast a stone at someone else lest Jesus remind me that that stone might also be cast at me.

 

And as a side note, my husband is a wonderful, kind, respectful, and loving man. I am blessed to be his wife and I cannot imagine life without him. Our relationship is growing and we owe our blessings to God. And I believe that out of our screw-ups, God has managed to turn it into something beautiful in a way only God can.

Oct 13, 2011 9:24 PM Guest Darryck  says in response to single guy:
This may sound redundant, but as Joel V said, God has told us not to.  Are we going to fight God and listen to our feelings.
Oct 13, 2011 10:04 PM Guest Jaime K  says in response to Jennifer B.:
A wonderful book by Paula Rinehardt called "Sex and the Soul of a Woman" might be a wonderful place for you to start on this new journey you are on.  Shame is not from God.  There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.  If you have repented (and it definitely sounds like you have), you are forgiven & free.  May God RICHLY bless your desire to honor him w/ your life & your sexuality!!!  Blessings to you!
Oct 14, 2011 5:56 AM Guest Matt  says:
So after my initial post there was quite the overwhelming response to my differential opinion on this board.  Within the many responses there was most definitely a trend of people writing that we should avoid the appearance of sin so that we may not contribute to others stumbling in their lives.  I understand what everyone are referring to, I just simply disagree and so does my wife.  I don't believe that we as individuals can be held responsible for the actions and/or unfair presumptions of every single person.  There are too many other examples that I could offer in comparison that could lead to these same conclusions.  Should we never walk into a bar or lounge to enjoy an adult beverage simply because it could give the appearance that we are drunkards?  The next time a historical movie such as Saving Private Ryan airs in the theaters, should we not go and see it simply because some people could elude that we fascinate about verbal vulgarities and killing?  If you catch my drift here, I think this would be a very dramatic response.  Whatever happened to having faith in your fellow men and women to demonstrate self control?  Personally I am tempted numerous times per day to sin, sometimes I fail God and give in, other times I prevail, when I fail, I pray to God for forgiveness.  From the responses I have read I would hope that some of you would not be so judgemental in the future and remember, all things CAN be achieved through God even if you doubt the outcome.
Oct 14, 2011 5:57 AM Guest Michael M  says in response to Jennifer B.:

My first wife died of breast cancer. We waited to be married before having sex. But I tell all that perhaps we shouldn't have married because of my unresolved family issues with my own family and because we both hadn't taken the necessary steps to get to know each other before we were married. You must begin by knowing thyself. You must know how deeply you rely on God and not your own understanding. You must know the important parts of the bible, like Jesus' commandments to us and the struggle women have had throughout the bible as explained in stories about Abigail, Deborah, Ruth, and Ester. The best way to get to know someone is by phone. You eliminate the other stuff, like putting on your best face to go on a date, and you listen, really listen to the other person. What is the inflection of his voice, does he sound right to you, does he talk about himself or ask questions about you, does he reveal his innermost thoughts about situations, can you have a conversation with him? You ask whether you can really be friends with this person, and most important, does he believe in God. You must not be "unequally yoked" to someone who does NOT believe in God and His law. He is the way he is. Your job is to know whether this person will fit completely with you, your family, and your friends--Yes or No. I waited upon God, discovered the name of my love on an internet page, replied by e-mail and phone, and finally met her in 6 months. I discovered that we had more in common--so much so that I KNEW that God had chosen her for me and I for her. She is now my partner in every way. We even sing the same note in choir! Be patient, pray fervently, and seek His understanding and your trial will be rewarded with His blessing.

Oct 14, 2011 12:25 AM Guest J  says in response to Paula:
Thank you Paula for your comment (that is what my husband and I did). If a couple is seeking to honor God, and applying His principles for finances, I believe He will provide. It seems like main reasons for cohabitating should be more accurately stated as: "because I want to." As for me, the main reason why I didn't cohabitate, aside from wanting to glorify God, was a strong sense of self-worth. I had no interest in any guy who would not commit himself to me through marriage
Oct 14, 2011 6:12 AM Guest ken  says:
Christians that live together send the wrong message to other people around them.  Christians that have sex before marriage either do not know what God says or they ignor what God says.  Sex is a gift from God reserved for those who are married to each other.  Having sex because you love someone is not a valid reason to have sex.  It is wrong even if you are only having sex with the one person you are "going to marry".  Know what God says and show Him that you love Him by your actions.
Oct 14, 2011 7:02 AM Guest BK  says in response to Joyce:
Joyce so where does God's providence fit in to your life?  It is never right to do wrong to do right.  Getting married for support is valid "if" you honor those vows as if it is what it is: a covenant that glorifies God in how you move toward fulfilling your role in that marriage.  And to the fellow who is living together to save money before marriage yet not "cohabiating", when you set yourself to sin you usually will sin.  God's model is to set you up for success and his boundaries provide for you to live freely in a bound world.  When you trade God's boundaries you put yourself in bondage.  You trade boundaries for bondage and God wants you to live in Christ (Gal 2:20).
Oct 14, 2011 7:18 AM Guest dave  says in response to Matt T.:

We are humans and God created that drive to be an insurmountably strong and a powerfully bonding gift of life. To think I can put myself in that arrangement and still do it HIS way -- well, naivity might be one way to describe it. BTW, what the culture says is a norm, should never -- and truthfully has never -- dictated what is really true. Most of what Jesus taught was counter-cultural then and still is today.

Oct 14, 2011 7:36 AM Guest Diane  says in response to single guy:

I am married 18 years and 5 kids later...we lived together once we were engaged.  I believe that had we not been intimate before we married we would not have married at all.  We failed to focus on alot of the details that would have improved our marriage immensely (communication for one---we were too busy "communicating" in other ways to really spend time working out true understanding of each other.)  Now we have a marriage that's a mess.  As a committed Christian I will not divorce him.  But I often think now what?  Marriage is a committement before God---I feel stuck here and discouraged.

Esther---keep it up!  There is sound reason to stay pure before marriage.  If only it allows time to really see your future partner in multiple situations.  Without the rose colored glasses sex provides;  many a releationship might be reconsidered before marrying saving future mistakes and heartache.

Oct 14, 2011 9:11 AM Guest Christine  says:
The example in our society says it's a great alternative to the traditional committment of marriage, so why are we supprised when our young people copy their parents and other adults they see doing it.  Example: Military wives who loose their spouse also loose their retirement benefits when they remarry, so they opt to live together.  My own father at age 80 was in a three year relationship of cohabitation before his death so he could add his girlfriend who was 62 years old to his health insurance plan.  She didn't want to marry him because she would loose her social security benefits from her dead husband and she was too young herself to qualify for medicare.  When our government agengies promote this misuse of taxpayers monies who are you to trust.
Oct 14, 2011 9:28 AM Guest Elaine  says:
Someone mentioned the Social Security reason for not marrying when you're older.  I checked awhile back and you may check it yourself, but the woman is allowed to keep the first husband's S.S.  if the marriage occurs after 60 years of age..
Oct 14, 2011 10:34 AM Guest Nadia  says in response to Keith:
Thank you for sharing your perspective. I see the picture you painted as real, not pessimistic. Often the church is better at doling out moral rules and regulations while omitting the true condition of the heart; and most non-Christians get turned off by these external dos and donts. While there are definite dos and donts in the Bible, do we really understand the perspective of someone else completely different from us when we say "you're sinning and this is wrong"? Can we put ourselves in that person's shoes and acknowledge it's not that simple for them? I think it's important to begin with the heart of the matter and recognize the reality of what most people go through - particularly those who are different from us. I believe in sharing a testimony of a merciful, compassionate, and loving God rather than simply one that wields a moral measure over our heads. Christ didn't transform me because of His whip of judgment; He transformed me with His love and sacrifice on the cross.
Oct 14, 2011 10:35 AM Guest Lianna  says:

My husband and I lived together for over 4 years before we were married.  We were agnostics at the time, so this lifestyle fit into our philosophy.  My husband wanted to get married after the first 6 months, but I didn't.  To be honest, I was stalling; waiting to see if someone or something better came along.  I came from an abusive family and I was afraid of commitment.  I was also afraid that after marriage my husband would feel that he "owned" me and that I would lose all freedom and individual indentity.

We lived together--but separately.  Separate bank accounts, separate possessions, separate names on credit cards and loans, separate plans for the future.  Living together proved to be a barrier to inimacy and trust instead of being a "practice household" for future marriage.

After 4 years, my husband insisted on marriage and I reluctantly agreed.  What a difference!  Even though we thought we knew each other inside and out, once we started working together as a couple, sharing and planning a future together, instead of separately, everything changed.  Both of us had been holding back, living with the fear that the other could walk out at any moment.  It was like we rediscovered each other all over again.  I thought I loved the man I was living with.  That was nothing compared to the love I discovered with the man who was now my husband.

Years later, we both became Christians.  Our love for Jesus Christ has greatly increased our love for each other.  I loved my husband before, but through Christ, I have discovered a new appreciation of the man I married and a new definition of what "love" means in a relationship.

 

In my experience, living together is a lie.  It's a poor imitation of an intimate, committed relationship, in fact, it's a barrier to true intimacy and trust.  It only exists because, whether they admit it or not, one, or both, partners want a back door in case they want to get out.

Oct 14, 2011 10:39 AM Guest Bev  says in response to Catherine:
Sounds like a porn addiction is highly likely.  I was married to an addict for 23 years before I finally figured out what was wrong with my marriage.  Praise God, we had a miraculous redemption and are now able to help other couples in crisis. Hope you will consider counseling if you haven't already.
Oct 14, 2011 10:42 AM Guest Doug F  says:

What does God's Word have to say about this?  Are we not called to live in obedience to God's Word?  Doesn't the Lord say that those who love me obey me?  Really, what's with all these social and financial rationalizations over marriage, which is part of God's design?  We (including me) should all get on our knees and repent for our foolish thinking.  C'mon, let's look to the Lord in ALL things; trust Him, praise Him and then live in the freedom He provides.

Oct 14, 2011 10:59 AM Guest Bev  says in response to Brad:
Yes, and epidemic STD rates are being reported in some retirement communities.
Oct 14, 2011 2:39 PM Guest Erin L  says in response to Mildred A.:
The only thing that is ours to give is virginity? I agree that chastity is important, but for both mn and women!
Oct 15, 2011 8:24 AM Guest Marcia  says:

I must have not read the whole article because I could not find 5 reasons not to co-habitate.

I didn't feel this was a very good article.  Not very articulate or specific.  I think more needs to be thought out about this problem amongst our young adults of today and more of them need to be listened to.

My husband and I have been married for 35 years...the first years were very difficult, but we had commited to stay together and both of us were determined to stay together through whatever life threw at us. This is one disturbing sign I see in people's way of thinking about marriage.  They come at it from underneath, thinking that if it doesn't "work out", they can get divorced.  We didn't think that way.  We looked at it from above and tried everything we could think of to make things work for our marriage.

Then we both began to learn that it wasn't "is he/she the 'right' person?", but more a question of "Am I the right person for him/her?"

Then along came 4 children, and we startingly realized that the way we treated each other was the way our children treated us.  We had to make some thought process and life changes. Just as we HAD to put the small children before our own needs, so we learned and are still learning to put each other before our personal needs.  We are constantly learning that marriage is putting the other person first.

But then there is a balance--Jesus said, "Love your neighbor as thyself".  How do I love my husband/wife as I love myself?....by loving WHO GOD MADE ME TO BE.  HE made me the way I am, and HE made my spouse the way he/she is.  That's where the balance in marriage comes in.  It's like the little song we use to sing..."Jesus and Others and You...What a wonderful way to spell JOY...!"

Oct 15, 2011 2:22 AM Guest Ann  says in response to Matt:
That is not possible!! Living together and abstaining; don't fool yourself and others.
Oct 15, 2011 11:15 AM Guest Nancy  says in response to Matt:
In response to Matt's situation - as a Christian, others are watching you. You and your fiance's decision will influence others. God says in 1Thess.5:22  "abstain from every form of evil" - that means "the appearance of evil" as another rendering of this passage brings out.  No one knows what really goes on behind closed doors. Also, the physical temptation to sexual immorality would be greater in that situation.  God honors obedience to Him and His righteousness.  If you trust and obey Him, He will bless you and show you the way in the financial area.
Oct 17, 2011 6:22 AM Guest Misty  says in response to Catherine:

Oh how I agree with you, Catherine. Christians idealize virginity as if it's the answer to guaranteeing having a perfect marriage. Christian couples are not warned that they can do everything 'right' in obedience to God and still have a horrible marriage.  I have been married over 30 years, and you are the first person with whom I can relate.  I did the same thing you did -- saved myself for a husband who attended church and seemed to be genuinely pursuing a personal relationship with Christ. I thought I'd found God's Mr. Right for my life. Daily devotions together ended about 3 weeks into the marriage. "Nah...that's just something we did while we were dating."  I was crushed. It seemed as if the only reason he married me was to deflower a virgin, and once he did on our wedding night I lost my 'value' to him.  I became nothing more than an unpaid nanny and housekeeper to spiteful stepchildren, and he took their side against me all the time. I struggled for YEARS how I could do everything "right" as a Christian and still end up with the marriage from hades.  Counseling was a joke. Three years into the marriage I wanted a divorce and would definitely have pursued it, had I not given birth to our child the year before.  For 25 years I was a "married single," but listening daily to Focus on the Family saved my life, helped me to be the best mother and Christian I could be and kept me going on a spiritual journey into forgiveness that I would not give up now for anything.  I stayed in the marriage with encouragement from Focus on the Family. About 5 years ago my husband repented and got saved. Since then God has given me the grace to once again love a man so far gone with dementia that he has no memory of his treatment of me. My adult children are living in sin with their lovers, and I feel ashamed that I cannot use our marriage as a good example to them.

Oct 17, 2011 9:38 AM Guest Fred T.  says in response to Jennifer B.:

There are "Restoring The Foundations" ministers around the country that are trained to help you 'break off' the effects of ungodly "baggaage" in a Godly and Biblical manner.  Check out ther website.  They helped my wife and me.

Oct 16, 2011 11:29 AM Guest Learning Grace  says:

It's heartening to hear that there are twenty thirty somethings who do not believe in sex outside of marriage. I'm in my early 40s, single, never cohabited nor sexually active. It can be very difficult at this day and age, but definitely better than being sexually involved and then pain and heartache after that. Already I'm having a very difficult time getting over someone so I can't imagine how much more painful if sex is involved.

 

I think those who believe that cohabiting is a way of knowing whether the relationship will work out find some alternatives in getting to know the other person; get involved in some common activity, work together or even attend some courses together (maybe "Why marriage is better than cohabiting" and then discuss about it). Discussing their fears of committing to marriage will help to understand the other party and strengthen the relationship. And that might lead to marriage!

Oct 17, 2011 2:25 PM Guest John M  says in response to Marcia :
I also missed the 5 reasons Marcy. What needs to be taught regarding marriage is that marriage has no meaning other than the meaning that God gave it and as Paul expounded in Ephesians 5:30 - 32. It is all about Christ and His Church (Bride). Once we understand this, then everything will fall into place because of The Holy Spirit. Moses was commended of God because he did everything according to the Heavenly pattern shown to Him on the mount. We who have come to Mount Zion (Heb 12:22) ought to be guided by the Heavenly pattern for marriage. Here, the man (male) takes on the role of Christ and the woman (female) takes on the role of a greatfull Church. Both roles are equally impossible apart from the grace given by God but it is only in such grace that we will both be able to stand. If the man was to divorce his wife, that would be the equivelant of Christ leaving the Church. If the woman were to divorce her husband, she would convey the Church walking away from Christ. If we choose not to have children, we will show forth a Heavenly Father Who does not want children. If two people were to cohabitate before marriage, then we would convey that Christ really did not die for us but was just somewhat wounded.....may The Holy Spirit continue to expound. 
Oct 17, 2011 8:13 AM Guest Kipronor  says:

Its an amazing article, young people often have a very strong urge to accomplish many things in Life, marriage being top of the list, the deterent though and probably the most difficult question for them is "will our union work-or we will end up in divorce" , this question arises from the fact that many examples of what marriage is is a picture of a brocken tearsome marriage that has often ended in painful divorce, sure as Sociologists often speak of how generations are shaped by what they are denied. Its important to profusely undestant that the marriage "test drive called COHABITATION" does not indeed give a true picture of what marriage will look like rather it is an excuse, question is, what if the Cohabitation does not work...who will mary the cohabitee's

 

I still believe in marriage, and am gonna marry soon myself, we only have to be a liitle patient with our selves and our imperfections, probaably emulate our parents who only have had one partner since marriage 30 plus years and still going strong.

Oct 17, 2011 9:01 AM Guest Rachael  says:
I feel that living together became so popular as a result of going off to college.  When kids went off to college, it became common to spend over-nighters with boyfriends/girlfriends - even good Christian kids who knew better, seen so many others do it, that they start to believe their Christian parents views are "old fashioned".  Slowly this then revolved into parents becoming lax and allowing their children to go off on Senior over-night trips as a big group  (parents allow this by saying well in a year they will be out on their own anyway.)  And now slowly it has made it's way into society to even those not attending college because it has became so common.  These kids don't see any connection between sleeping with every boyfriend they have and the pain it will cause them later!!  They only feel what they feel now and they can't or don't want to see the future!!  My word of advice to Girls - if you show your guy it is ok to have sex outside of marriage now - he may carry that into your marriage.
Oct 17, 2011 9:38 AM Guest Kurt  says:
As a recent divorcee, I can understand a reason of why living together is an alternative to marraige.  That reason is the no-fault divorce laws, community property and spousal maintenance requirements in todays divorce proceedings.  It is way to easy to get divorced and there is no incentives baked in to stay married and work things out.  I think the no fault divorce should be abolished and mandatory counseling should be required with that counselors testimony given a lot of weight in court.
Oct 17, 2011 5:00 PM Guest Jeremy  says in response to Jim R.:
Well said, Jim!  You have asked some thoughtful, Bible-based, hard-hitting questions for which all believers should have an answer.
Oct 18, 2011 11:33 AM Guest Jeremy  says in response to Matt T.:

Thank you, Paula!  If you hadn't said it, I would have.

 

Matt T., your comments demonstrate tremendous naivety on this topic.

 

First, you overestimate a Christian's ability to resist temptation--specifically, sexual temptation, which is arguably the most powerful of all temptations.  That is a very dangerous position to take.

 

Second, you underestimate the craftiness of the Adversary (Satan), as well as the weakness of human nature (i.e., the flesh).  Remember what Jesus said to Peter after finding him, James, and John sleeping when they were supposed to be alert and praying:  "Keep watching and praying that you may not enter into temptation; the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak" (Matthew 26:41).

 

Do you honestly believe it is wise, pure, or -- most importantly -- honoring to God for two romantically involved, physically attracted members of the opposite sex to live together, alone, under the same roof?  In my estimation, any couple who enters into a situation with such a high potential for compromise is simply setting themselves up for sin.  Recall the apostle Paul's admonition:  "Do not give the devil an opportunity" (Ephesians 4:27).  And what about the couple's witness to the world?

 

Furthermore, you identified yourself as a Christian; however, you then essentially advised people to disobey Christ.  And your rationale for doing so is fallacious:  "Living together before marriage is the norm and should be accepted by all."  Hmmm . . . so, are you saying that whenever a certain behavior/activity becomes normative or popular in the culture, then people should disregard the will of holy God and accept the behavior as being okay?

 

By the way, the technical term for this logical fallacy is argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people").  This is the "Everybody else is doing it, so it must be right!" argument.  Obviously, just because the majority of people (or even if ALL the people) believe that something is true or accept a behavior as morally right does not make it so.  Since God is Truth, He determines what is true, false, right, and wrong.  And, it is His inerrant Word -- not the consensus of fallen humans -- that serves as the ultimate standard by which we must measure all matters of life.     

Oct 17, 2011 8:59 PM Guest KA  says in response to Matt T.:
Wow, live together and abstain from sex....I can't believe he just said that.
Oct 17, 2011 9:05 PM Guest KA  says:
Good job, Ester!  I also was a little disappointed that I didn't get five reasons (other than the five things that women get potentially) not to co-habitat...would like to have some ammo for when talking with all my cohabitating friends. I heard once about a statistic - but have no clue where it came from, except that Dr. Dobson or someone on his program quoted it - that said couples who have had sex before marriage have double the chance of getting divorced as couples who don't. So everyone starts out with a 50/50 chance of getting divorced statistically and so when you cohabitat you increase that chance to 75%. Wish I knew where that statistic came from!
Oct 17, 2011 9:06 PM Guest KA  says in response to Jim R.:
Awesome points!
Oct 18, 2011 5:10 AM Guest Laurie  says in response to Barbara:
Engaged is still not married.
Oct 18, 2011 3:38 PM kksmom kksmom    says in response to Laurie:

I find it interesting how some of you are eager to jump on this board and explain how you cohabitated knowing full well  it was wrong before God, but did it anyway, and how things "turned out ok" in the end.  I hope you are taking into account that your story is not finished yet so there may be things to come that you have not even fathomed and yet, how your "testimony" may convince a young man or woman looking for answers on this board to go ahead and take that same path.

 

I wouldn't want to answer to God for causing someone else to sin.

Oct 18, 2011 12:17 PM Guest Kurt M.  says in response to Laurie:
As in the case of Mary, our Lord & Savoir's Mother, she was engaged to Joseph at the time she became supernaturally pregnant. In the Jewish tradition, Mary & Joseph could live together without the formaility of the wedding ceremony as they were considered "bonded" or married once their engagement was formally announced. This is one reason why Mary was not abandoned by Joseph and not stoned when her pregnant state became obvious.
Oct 18, 2011 1:42 PM Guest Peter  says in response to Chris:
I agree with Chris. I think the main point is that God's intention for us is to mate for life. It is best not to have sex until you have that contract and committment that it will be for life. Of course, that's no guarantee that things will work out well either (read Catherine above). It's always very important in the dating or courting phase to really find out what kind of person your future spouse is. How he or she treats others, their family, what their family and friends say about them, and what your wise mentors thing about your choice. Take off the blinders of infatuation and take an honest look. In the end, you have to trust God that He has a plan for you and will see you through.
Oct 18, 2011 1:45 PM Guest Peter  says in response to Matt T.:
In response to Matt T: Wow you can control yourself to resist that temptation? You're a better man than me. More power to ya. I don't think it should be accepted by all though.
Oct 18, 2011 2:58 PM Guest Peter  says in response to Julia:
@Julia: I think it's best to wait for marriage to have sex.
Oct 19, 2011 11:10 AM Guest Marie  says in response to Catherine:
Wow!  I never seen it that way!  You are such a couraguous women!  Most women would of left the first year of marriage.
Oct 19, 2011 4:20 PM Guest Rachel  says in response to Joyce:

Re: losing SSI and pension, do these reasons trump God's laws against fornication? It's disheartening to see the older generation, who were brought up in an even stronger moral environment than ours today, water down truth to make it fit their own desires.

God will take care of those who honor him.

Oct 19, 2011 5:12 PM Guest uh what?  says in response to Rachel:

@Rachel: i dont agree with living together in order to have sex before marriage. However, after having stood behind some seniors at the prescription counter whose meds were $300+, I can see why they might shack up for survival reasons.

 

Maybe we would all do well not to judge each others' personal situations and let each individual answer to God for their own actions.

Oct 20, 2011 11:38 AM Guest nathan  says in response to Misty :
While it is true that Christians idealize virginity, it is difficult to overstate its importance in a relationship.  As a man, I was able to see my girlfriend as a wife because she was a virgin - if she had given herself to someone else, I'd never be her "only", only one of her many "experiences".  I know supposed Christians who are cohabitating, and to these girls it never occurs to them that having given up their virginity, they've not only erected an obstacle to men seeing them as wives, they've taken themselves off the pedestal upon which men tend to place women.  Any woman can be his lover, but only with great difficulty can a man see a non-virgin as a wife.  She becomes more or less a means to an end.  While virginity may not guarantee a fairy tale marriage, giving it to someone other than your husband goes a long way toward eliminating the possibility of marriage from your future. 
Oct 19, 2011 8:53 PM Guest Tim  says in response to Matt:
Maybe one in a million will actually pull that one off.
Oct 19, 2011 9:07 PM Guest Harriet  says in response to Doug:

Comment to Doug. Amen to that, brother! I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said. I recently took a financial class at church and all my questions and thoughts were answered with scripture to back it up, regarding cohabitation. Whether you're in love (young or old) or have financial reasons (unable to afford on your own, or want to keep pensions) for wanting to live together, you're justifying your own reasons for it being "okay to live together". This means, if you're a Christian, that you're not trusting God with everything. If you're not a Christian, and you end up not getting married, you wonder why it didn't work and live with anger, sadness, guilt, etc., This is why it's so important to just do it God's way.

HE wants HIS best for us. He created marriage and like any other sin, if we defy his will and play God, we pay for our sins even after we repent. I am sad in that I know more and more people who "justify" with the same reasons.

Saints, let's stay strong in the Word, pray for and love on our friends and family. But, more importantly, share, with them, the truth, IN LOVE.  Once you do it, you'll know you and they will know that they can never say, "I never knew", and the rest is between them and God.  

Oct 20, 2011 6:20 AM Guest Ruth  says:

Esther

 

I am proud that you are speaking out.  I have two daughters engaged to be married in the next 6 months they like you have a strong conviction about no sex before marriage.   There standards make me proud to be there mother, especially when all around us couples are living together.  One is 22 the other is 24.   I can see there younger sister watching all of this and she says she will do the same.

Oct 20, 2011 12:51 PM Guest Elaine  says:

What a GREAT article.  God's Will for us is only for OUR benefit.

 

I waited until 42 yrs old to get married to God's Man for me, my Boaz.  It was WORTH the WAIT!  I came from a terrible divorced family and God got me to the place when I could finally have a good relationship and even the man to help me with other subsequent issues after marriage.  I am SO thankful for God's PERFECT plan for me and I wish it for every woman.

 

I also have taught Abstinence Education and know that stats on disease and relational issues with sex outside marriage.  May more people your age be willing to go the distance for GOD's BEST in their lives!

Oct 20, 2011 7:54 PM Guest Rob  says in response to kksmom:

The scar of the heart, knowing that one went against the will of God.  When we know the truth and choose to go against it causes us to step further away from God in our personal relationship with him.  Unless one accepts his truths for what they are we can not honestly say that we are followers of Christ.  I Corinthians 7 speaks clearly to this issue...For Matt who sees no religious significance to this issue.  By the way...it's not about religion, It's about relationship!

I can speak first hand of the scars and results of falling prey to the lies that it's Ok, God's word is clear...He forgives yet there are consequences to our actions.

Oct 21, 2011 11:17 AM Guest Lianna  says in response to fulltimedadof2:

As someone who lived with her boyfriend for 4 years, (we didn't know the Lord at the time), before, finally, getting married to him, I can assure you that it does make a difference.

When you're living together, you can, literally, walk out the door at any moment.  You are not responsible for your partner's debts and usually your belongings and accounts are separate.  If you leave each other, no one thinks it's a big deal since you're just living together.  Usually, no lawyers or court appearances are necessary.  It's easy.

When you are married, you are living under a legal, (and moral), contract. Your assets are mutual, your debts are shared, there is shame and upheaval that involves your family and friends, you have to pay for lawyers and go through lengthy court procedures and you have to go through the painful process of negotiating assets and debts.

You can't see the difference?

Marriage is much more than just a contract, but contracts are important and hold both parties accountable.  You don't think so?  Try getting a house loan without a contract or renting, without a lease to protect you and your landlord.  Even though divorce is too easily available in this country, being married still gives people the impetus to try to work things out.

Oct 23, 2011 3:37 PM Guest Marcia  says in response to John M:
Thank you John M. for your very concise answer.  THIS is what we need to teach our children, teens and young adults.  Marriage is the greatest example God gave us of His relationship to us as the church.  Thank you for this important reminder.  I hope many people read your response here.
Oct 27, 2011 7:34 AM Guest Marianne  says:
I woke up this morning wanting to look up again the Bible verses which talk about "those who practice such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:21)  The list of such things includes sexual immorality. There is someone close to me who might be a practicing homosexual, in other words a Christian who is unrepentant about sin--not turning away from it. Does the Bible tell me that such a person will not go to heaven? My 27 year-old son has chosen to remain pure until he marries. He often struggles with hopelessness about finding someone who shares those beliefs and choices. What does this tell us about what has become acceptable to Christians and the confusion over what seems very CLEAR to me as I read my Bible?
Oct 27, 2011 10:07 AM Guest Laurie  says in response to Marianne:

@ Marianne:  I have a beautiful 20 year old, college educated Christian daughter looking for your son! TELL HIM NOT TO BE HOPELESS!  Look at Tim Tebow! I would kill to have your son (or, ok, maybe, Tebow. . .) for a son in law!

 

There are young ladies out there who DO have these beliefs and choices, but are looking for a young man with his head on straight and Christ in his heart!

Oct 29, 2011 8:48 AM Guest slmynatt  says:
I have to confess that I lived with my husband before marriage (we are still married)..but this is not a choice I want my daughter to make. So far she has made MUCH better choices then I did growing up.  She is 18, a freshman in college and still a virgin.  I think that the difference is my daughter has grown up in a christian home.  I grew up in a divorced, non christian home.  But on the other side I have a neice that got married at 18 basically because they did not think they could wait any longer to have sex. And a year into the marriage they are really struggling.  So we have tried to find a balance.  I never think that sex should be a reason for getting married, especially not so young or before college.  So we are just trying to find that balance.
Nov 19, 2011 2:37 PM Guest Georgette  says:

I was wondering what your response would be to this question:  As a landlord, I made a comment to a person that wanted to rent a property I owned, not married, but was planning to move her boyfriend in (someone whom she had a previous relationship with, broke up for a long time, and now together again, also has 2 children with him), that I was a Christian and did not believe in "living together"!  I did not know that the boyfriend was the father of the children until after I made that statement, so then I said that I would guess that a father should be with his children along with the mother.  The home she was previously living at was being sold, so she had to get out right away.  It seems after I spoke to her of the above, she supposedly told me that she is going to look into a home that was rent to own, across the street from her mother's.  She said she would let me know if she decided on the rent to own home, but I never heard from her again!  Would it have been right to rent to her after the fact of finding out the boyfriend was the children's father?

Nov 20, 2011 11:53 AM Guest just a church lady  says in response to Georgette :

My pastor does not perform wedding ceremonies for those who have previously lived together. He says that even though they are "now" getting married, he does not want to give the appearance that he condoned the living together relationship.

 

I would imagine that your situation might reflect the same situation where if you rent to those living together you might give the appearance that you condone it. Or worse-- that you 'say' you dont agree with it, but would be willing to look the other way if it meant $ for your wallet.

 

just my 2 cents. .. .

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