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Will Christian Adoption Be Banned?

Posted by Jim_Daly on Mar 2, 2011 4:00:34 PM

I want you to meet Eunice and Owen Johns.johns2

 

Mrs. Johns, 62, and Mr. Johns, 65, live in the United Kingdom. They’ve raised four children and have been foster parents to a total of 15. By every measure they’ve done a terrific job. From the beginning of their fostering adventure, they’ve seen their noble calling rooted in Christian conviction. They have epitomized and embraced the words of James: “to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world” (James 1:27).

 

But now that same Christian faith that motivated them to foster parent in the first place is being cited as reason to declare them ineligible to foster parent anymore.

 

Why?

 

Simply put, Mr. and Mrs. Johns believe in traditional Christian teachings, including that heterosexual marriage is God’s ideal and that sex outside of biblical marriage between a man and a woman is a sin. As parents, they’ve obviously shared these beliefs with children in their care, and therein lies the crux of the matter.

According to the UK High Court which ruled earlier this week, the government can now mandate that foster parents communicate and demonstrate positive attitudes toward homosexuality. In other words, because the Johns’ hold a biblical perspective on this issue, they are somehow a threat to the general welfare of children.

 

In trying to grasp this illogical conclusion, it’s hard not to think that we’re living in a day and age when, to borrow the title of the old English ballad, the world has turned upside down.  fostercare1.jpg

 

When the ruling was issued, Mr. and Mrs. Johns were stunned and heartbroken.  In a statement the couple reacted:

 

We wanted to offer a loving home to a child in need. But because of this ruling we are unsure how we can continue the application process. We have been excluded because we have moral opinions based on our faith, and a vulnerable child has now probably missed the chance of finding a safe and caring home. We do not believe that our ordinary Christian moral views are infectious, contrary to what the Equality and Human Rights Commission believes. Being a Christian is not a crime and should not stop us from raising children. Today, it looks as though a child has missed out on a home.

 

They are, of course, exactly right. My heart aches for Mr. and Mrs. Johns, but even more for the children who will be deprived of their love, guidance and affection. Once again, the effort of same-sex advocates to mandate mainstream approval for their beliefs is coming at the expense of kids in desperate need of stable homes.adoption5.jpg

 

As Americans, it might be easy to dismiss this development as an unfortunate matter of European political correctness. To do so, however, would be a grave mistake. Even today in the United States, some faith-based adoption agencies who refuse to place children with same-sex couples – like Catholic Charities of Boston - have been forced out of the adoption placement world.

 

Anyone who has ever attempted to either adopt or become approved for foster parenting is well aware just how personally invasive the approval process can be. From detailing your assets and tax records to case workers inquiring about your physical and mental health as well as your marital happiness, many couples find the process nerve racking. I want to be clear that there is good reason for this level of scrutiny - to protect children. But it’s certainly not outside the realm of possibility that what happened in the United Kingdom could eventually – and maybe sooner rather than later - happen in the U.S.

 

What does it mean for a Christian when the world turns upside down? It means that we’re presented with an enormous opportunity to help turn it right-side-up! We do that by holding firm, like the Johns, to our Christian convictions. If we do, we’ll be radiating and reflecting the love of Jesus Christ by standing in the gap for vulnerable kids. If you have ever considered either adopting or becoming a foster parent, I’d welcome you to learn more about Focus on the Family’s Wait No More ministry and the many opportunities in your state by clicking here. Just this past Saturday at one of our events in Atlanta, 165 more families started the process of foster care adoption.

 

Surely the news out of the UK startles, but doesn’t shock. The Bible tells us that godly wisdom will be regarded as foolishness and that what is good will be called evil. God’s word also regularly reminds us that we’re strangers in a foreign land (Hebrews 11:13). Yet, the Lord is sovereign. There is nothing to fear for those of us who love Jesus Christ.

 

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Mar 3, 2011 6:37 AM Guest Eric  says:

Unfortunately what is happening in the UK is already happening here.  Not to the same extent with the courts saying that we would have to inform the child of all their lifestyle options, but the same sentiments are here.  Many of the Child Protective Services offices around the nation are Anti-Christian.  Well, at least in Arizona.

 

My wife and I know this first-hand.  We got involved in the life of a young lady and her children.  We even took them in for a time.  And during this time, she was involved with the Family Courts in a dispute between her and the father and CPS.  Because they were staying with us, we had to jump through some of the hoops that the Case Managers were pushing.  Fortunately, with the assistance of her attorney, we were able to get them to back off a bit and leave us out of the situation.

 

Personally, I believe that before long, Christians will no longer be able to foster care for children or adopt children within our own boundaries because Christianity has some straight forward beliefs in which those that truely believe the Christian principles will not waiver.  I have even heard rummblings about children even being removed from homes because the parents Christian beliefs were too rigid and did not teach that other lifestyles were acceptable.

 

So, as it sits, it may not be the UK yet, but I see it coming down the track and we will have to choose whether we want to be in league with those that believe in an "Anything Goes" mentality or whether you are going to stick to your Christian principles and have the children removed because we are unyeilding in our beliefs.

Mar 3, 2011 10:43 AM Guest susan  says in response to Eric:

Interesting.

I have been a foster parent for 5.5 years (approx. 35 children) and am currently going thru the adoption application process.

Many of the questions were regarding my Christian views and what I thought about homosexual relationships etc..

Some of the questions were poses to almost want me to agree with allowing a minor to express themselves sexually IN MY HOME.

I told them that, gay or straight, I will not tolerate or incourage that activity under my roof.  Once the child is 18 and out of my house (and paying their own way in life) they can make their own decisions.

It will be interested whether I hear anything else regarding my views.

 

Susan

Mar 3, 2011 10:53 AM Guest Jon B  says:

I work as a Foster parent Case manager.  I am very concerned about news events like this because it can become a reality very soon.  However, what I run into are parents who claim to be Christian but refuse to care for kids who don't follow their morals.  Some homes won't take kids who are sexually active, some won't take kids who have same-sex attraction, and on-and-on down to color of their skin.  It is a very sad place when Foster Parents who claim to love Christ and Follow the bible, refuse to care for children in need of care because of those beliefs.  This problem is a two-way street.  Christians world wide need to step up and take care of the orphans (as mentioned in the beginning of this article) and they also need to be open to caring for Children who need help in every area of life, even if it doesn't match up to our biblical world view.  Jesus didn't come to help those who agreed with him, he helped those who needed him.  Christians should do the same.

 

As for courts ruling that Christian homes aren't appropriate, I truly hope we can prove them wrong.

Mar 3, 2011 11:36 AM Guest Holly  says in response to Jon B:

There are kind people and there are mean people whether they claim to be a christian or if they are an athiest or whatever... I think that regardless of belief, some children are going to wind up in homes where they are cared for and some will go through a tough time.  When it comes to prejudice about christian views and tolerance for non-christian views, that is obviously up side down.  If a child is lying constantly or stealing how would an atheist handle it and how would a christian handle it?  There are all different types of parents regardless of religion and they handle things in different ways.  As a christian, if I were to adopt a child and felt he was doing something immoral according to my beliefs then I would definately talk to him about it and pray for him an try to help him.  On the other hand, if someone is not a christian and they believe live and let live, they may teach a child that they should be more open to activities that I would find offensive.  So it is definately bothersome to me, that it seems that christains are being penalized for their beliefs, but those with a more secular attitude are given more of a free reign.

Mar 3, 2011 2:36 PM Guest Pam  says in response to Jon B:

I agree with Jon, religious extremism, whether christian, or otherwise, can be a dangerous place for a child. recently there was a muslim family applying to do foster care that were rejected because they would not allow pork in their home, it goes against their beliefs, and the agency rejected them, saying if a child came from a home that ate pork, they could feel rejected by that belief. I have no problem with a foster parent saying that a child may not be sexually active in their home, but to knowingly subject a child that may be homosexual or may love someone that is, to live in a home where they will be reviled could certainly be a bad thing for them. Christians are supposed to love...love everyone, not just the people that agree with their beliefs. Some of those "Christian" homes are certainly not appropriate. I would love for the real Christians, the ones that love without judgement, to rise up and show that we are not like the nuts of the world.

Mar 3, 2011 11:46 AM Guest patricia c.  says in response to Jon B:
I wholeheartedly agree with Jon B. We must remember Jesus' words "I came to seek and save that which was lost....I did not come for the healthy but for the sick." AMEN! We love because He first loved us. My family prays all the time that the Lord will send the children to us that He has pre-ordained and we trust in that completely. And thus far we have had some very interesting cases but we remember that the lost DO NOT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT and can not act in a Godly manner...it is WE that must act like Christ!!! and we must not fear those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul!!! "He who is in me is greater than he who is in the world."
Mar 3, 2011 11:49 AM Guest Jere  says:
I don't see what in the world is wrong with teaching kids about diversity.  There's a lot of different kinds of people in the world and, if foster parents raise kids to hate people different from themselves, those kids are going to have a tough life ahead.  I wonder how these so-called Christians would react if another set of foster parents wanted to teach their children that blacks are an inferior race.  Racism was Biblically justified for hundreds of years by Christians.  Jesus said we need to love each other.  Where in His message of love does anyone find room to hate gay people or anyone else?
Mar 3, 2011 11:52 AM Guest Carolyn  says:

I have to wonder how long the UK's ban will last.  It seems that by requiring people to reflect a positive attituted toward homosexuality the pool of applicants will be significantly depleted.  From what I have read, the majority of people - regardless of faith - do not view homosexuality as a positive thing.  This may be a slim majority, but it is a majority.   By eliminating these people from possible applicants, they are increasing the trouble they already have in finding decent homes for kids who desperately need it.

 

Jon B.'s comment just breaks my heart.  I am so very sad to hear that believers continue to reject children because they have not been taught to have more respect for their bodies by obstaining from sex.  Who knows how many lives could be turned around if Christians would leave the judging to God and simply meet the needs of those around them.

Mar 3, 2011 12:08 PM Guest Vince V  says in response to Pam:

A Christian should be able to wholeheartedly love and accept a child in a parenting role, who may be sinning or living an unbiblical life in a variety of ways.   However, the parent, as a Christian, has a duty to teach the entire Biblical content to that child.  Jesus told the woman who was to be stoned, "Where are your accusers?.. Go and sin no more".  Jesus cared about her more than anyone else, BUT he also told her to stop what she was doing that was wrong!!

Mar 3, 2011 12:15 PM Guest Laura  says in response to Jon B:

Jon,

You do also have to be careful about whom you let into your home, especially if you have children still in your home.  Kids that you are mentioning can be very disruptive to a family and could cause harm to your own home.  So if the family taking kids has children and they want to foster, they have to know their own limitations and weigh the risks to their own family.  You have to have an extremely strong family to deal with kids you are mentioning as well as an excess of time you are willing to invest in the kids.  Christians aren't sinless. Would you rather not have those families help out at all?

Mar 3, 2011 12:01 PM Guest Marty  says in response to Jon B:

Jesus did not mince words when he met a person living in a sinful way - He said "Go and sin no more."  He definitely had harsh words for hypocrites, but he never condoned sin.  He loved the sinner but hated sin as all believers should.  Foster parents must be able to raise their children with boundaries that keep children safe.  Sex outside of marriage is never safe emotionally or physically.  We must be free to confront sin/hurtful behaviors in our foster or biological children with love and humility.

Mar 3, 2011 12:03 PM Guest Kelli L.  says:
I would also like to add that as a single Christian foster parent I am also looked down on as less than ideal.  I know that it is not in God's plan for every person to marry, and that the calling I have to be a foster parent is straght from God.  I have no problem teaching tolerance, for that is what the Lord has shown, but I do not feel that I should be pressured into going against my beliefs in my own home.
Mar 3, 2011 3:22 PM Guest THOMAS K  says in response to Vince V:
THIS IS TRAGEIC!TRULY A SIGN OF THE TIMES.THIS IS PROPHECY BEING FULFILLED BEFORE OUR EYES.I AM NOT SCHOCKED ,BUT I AM SURPRISED.I FEEL FOR THIS COUPLE WHO SEEM TOO HAVE THEIR HOUSE AND LOVE AND VALUES IN ORDER.IF I WERE IN AMISFORTUNE OF BEING A FOSTER CHILD WHO I`M SURE HAS BEEN EXPOSED TOO AWHOLE LOT WORSE THAN ALOVING COUPLE OF CHRISTIANS WHO SERVE THE KING OF KINGS,WOULD WANT TO MAKE THEIR HOME MINE.IT IS AMAZING HOW FAR SOCEITY HAS CHANGED TOO ACCOMADATE HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE.''BEHOLD LOOK UP AND BE JOYOUS FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NEAR.''
Mar 3, 2011 12:26 PM Guest Betsy  says:
It is already happening here. We applied to become foster parents in Jefferson County, CO,  in 2005 and were turned down because, according to the caseworker, "Your children are too well behaved. It is clear that you hold them to a very high standard of conduct, and no child you would get from Jefferson County would ever be able to meet your standard." I realized later that if she had licensed us, she would have been our caseworker through the entire process, and I guess she'd already had enough of our Biblical focus, our prayerful parenting, and our clinging to Jesus. We went on to receive licensing through another, smaller county in Colorado; we now have a beautiful toddler, which was the goal of the entire ordeal.
Mar 3, 2011 12:31 PM Guest Ruth  says:
If this continues, how long will it be before Christian parents are not allowed to raise their own biological children?
Mar 3, 2011 12:32 PM Guest Mrs. AJ  says:

This is really sad to see...But this just show how the enemy is at work and that all the signs prophesied in the Bible is coming to light...2 Timothy 3:1-3 "Men shall be lovers of themselves...despisers of what is good..." As Christians we need to continue to pray without ceasing...pray that ' no weapons formed against them shall prosper..."

A true Christian loves the sinner, but hate the sin...Jesus hates sin because it is hurting us...We as Christians have to live right without condemning or judging...Too many people are religious but do not live right...that is a difference between living a Christian lifestyle and claiming to be a Christian.

Mar 3, 2011 3:46 PM Guest Clinton C  says:

Not to diminish the importance of this issue. But, that's no the whole story. These rulings aren't just targeted at whether or not to teach homosexuality. There have been several "bizarre" rulings in the UK on a variety of positions. Another ruling against an adoptee was that the father believed in spanking his kids if they swear. The court equated that to corporal punishment and refused. In reality, it is legal for parents to use reasonable punishment on their kids. As for the homosexuality ruling, the court was forced to stand down after a public outcry.


Mar 3, 2011 12:45 PM Guest Military Vet  says:
This kind of anti-Christian bias is no longer covert--it is right out it the open!  After raising many foster & adopted children, our family's decades of service were brought to an abrupt end by a crushing "substantiation" of "abuse & neglect", the result of an "investigation" by the local DSS.  We had been licensed by a Christian agency and we were instrumental in bringing many new Christian foster/adopt families on board...that was ended by an openly gay/lesbian investigator whose hatred for us and our Christian beliefs was barely concealed.  The war is on, Christians--let's get our heads out of the sand!  As long as we are divided, we are conquered.  It's time for a well-funded, national Christian advocacy/legal defense group, specifically for the protection of foster/adopt families!
Mar 7, 2011 11:29 AM Guest Bill  says:

Yeah, I have never thought about it!? At one point in our marriage we were looking to adopt and it never dawned on me until having read some of the comments, that the child we adopted might have some real serious behaviour issues, or even same sex attraction. There was a case here in my town where the adopted son murdered the daughter of his adoptive parents. Tell me who the heck wants that time bomb!?! Oh man, how would I handle that? Not very well. I don't think I can do it. I have a hard time with my own kids, let alone dealing with children who have gone thru who knows what. Thank the Lord that He has raised up christians who are can do this.

Mar 3, 2011 12:49 PM Guest Shawn  says in response to Marty:

The part that bothers me is that this viewpoint is extremely one-sided. Everyone (especially Christians who are singled out in this case) are supposed to be tolerant and supportive of beliefs like homo-sexuality and sex outside the institution on marriage whereas individuals who support those beliefs do not have to be tolerant of our Biblical beliefs in return.

 

It's too bad that Christians or those who share these specific Biblical beliefs are the non-vocal majority. What we need is a more dynamic way to allow this majority to express their views or some way to encourage these individuals to step out and be vocal about what they believe. The longer aren't vocal about this the less of a majority we will have as these views that are contrary to our beliefs will continue to perminate the culture and just become accepted beliefs in the younger generations.

 

I would go so far to say that it is happening already...

Mar 3, 2011 3:52 PM Guest Bobby R  says in response to Pam:

Christ Himself was an "extremist" when He said that He was the Only Way.  That being said, Christ loved people and died for them while they were yet sinners.  If the question is whether a child who has homosexual tendencies should be loved and not reviled...the answer is YES.  If the question is whether the foster or adoptive or natural parents of that child should try to lead him/her to Christ and should identify homosexual activity as sin in the same way they identify lying as sin or heterosexual sex before marriage as sin...the answer is YES.  Is it "judging" to correctly call sin..sin?  Is it loving to ignore any person's need for the redemptive grace of Christ to cover all of their sins....the answer is NO.  It may be non-confrontational to accept all views and ignore sin but it isn't loving.  Finally, should a Christian home be open to an orphan who is confused about who he/she is and who feels unloved....the answer is YES.  After all, it is only in Christ that we can truly understand who He, as our creator, made us to be.

Mar 3, 2011 1:13 PM Guest Jonathan  says:

It is foolish for any government to turn away from morality and a government sets itself up for destruction when it willfully fights against morals laid down by God.  I have pity on our leaders and citizens who have exchanged the truth for a lie.  As a future public administrator, I hope that I can still help to build strong communities and families after I complete my masters or if I would be handicapped to promoting agendas of special interests over God-ordained morality.

 

Our nation needs revival-flat out.  We will not survive on this path we are currently on.  Pray fervently for your neighbors that they would know the love and transforming power of a relationship with Christ and tell them about your faith.  The way we rebuild this nation is one family at a time-let's minister to our neighbors and pray for revival.  God will save the day if we ask Him and let Him.  When revival comes and people transform from the inside out because of a relationship with Christ, many of the things that trouble us currently will soon wither away.

 

Watch and pray as you love God and love others for our battle is not against flesh and blood but is waged in the spiritual realm.

 

Your brother in Christ-

 

Jonathan

Mar 4, 2011 11:20 AM Guest EMB  says:
To JonB I would say that it is entirely appropriate for people to have certain standards in their home, such as no sex for the children and young people.  I would suggest that young people like that do need intensive counseling about appropriate behavior as well as about risky behavior.  Even so, again, it IS appropriate for young people to be held to certain standards and important for them to be held to certain standards. .  Human beings do not fully mature, mentally and physically, under optimum circumstances, until their early to mid 20s.  Our nation made an extremely harmful, extremely foolish mistake of lowering the age of majority to age 18. Our nation and states need to revisit that issue, raise the age of majority back to age 21, or even higher, and provide means by which our children and young people can be protected, caused to continue their education and required to meet certain standards until they are mature. Psychological counseling and psychiatric treatment need to be made more readily available.  Also, we need a child protective services system which has some "TEETH" and which can force parents to take good care of their children or face serious consequences if they do not.  We also need to demand that medical science find out exactly WHAT CAUSES homosexual, bisexual and transgender desires and what can be done to prevent and/or cure these. Likewse, adultery and fornication need to be strongly discouraged, especially during the younger years.  Sexual harrassment. sexual abuse  and sexual assault need to be extremely serious offenses with severe consequences (why do you think that many of these young people become sexual active in the first place?). Spreading a cureable sexually transmissible disease needs to become a strong misdemeanor and spreading an incureable sexually transmissible disease needs to become a felony with severe sanctions (such as being required to pay for the treatment of those infected by the perpetrator) put in place.  I do NOT agree with anyone having an abortion, yet, if abortion is allowed to continue to be available, like Jesus said to Judas, "what you do, do quickly" - like in the first couple of weeks if not sooner like the next day.  Both males and females, especially males, need to be taught to practice sexually responsible behavior.  There actually should be NO NEED for abortions and it IS possible. Also, requiring adoptive parents to have positive attitudes towards homosexual behavior and towards sexual behavior of young people will only damage the adoptions system in our nation.  People will simply stop accepting children and young people for adoptions leaving the state to have to care for them.  And in this time of the need to lower governmental expenses with the pressure to do so from the people, that is not going to work either.  Homosexuals and promiscuous heterosexuals have enjoyed a great deal of toleration, over the years since the early 1960s, however, we may be on the verge of a major "backlash" against them.  And that may be a very good thing to happen and a good thing to happen against irresponsible parents as well.
Mar 3, 2011 1:21 PM Guest Iseult  says:

I don't know why people are so surprised, but the same scenario has already happened in Massachusetts a couple of years ago when a Christian couple were denied as foster parents because of their Christian beliefs.  No one should be astonished any more when things of this nature happen these days.  It is a sign of the time in which we are living when everything immoral and indecent rules.  We should just be on our guards.

Mar 3, 2011 1:42 PM Guest Lena G  says in response to patricia c.:
Amen, Patricia! God bless you and all other dear families with hearts wide open for the orphans and forsaken and broken-hearted. I believe that God will guide those you can help the most on your path.  Stay strong!
Mar 3, 2011 2:44 PM Guest sherie  says:

Intresting that they only stand against Christians, because Muslums don't believe homosexuality is exceptable either yet no one says a word about that!

I think there's a popular saying that if God doesn't intervine soon he will have to appolagize to Sodom and Gamorah!

I just have to believe He will step in soon......

Mar 7, 2011 11:26 AM Guest D. G.  says in response to Lena G:
Foster care parents also have to bear in mind the safety of the children already in their care, whether they are their own or other foster children when accepting another child.  If a child about to be placed is known to be practicing homosexual behavior, he is a danger to the other children in the home.  I know of children in group homes who were sexually assaulted by older children of the same sex in the home; when they were not allowed to complain or not listened to when they did complain, these victims grew up to also do the same to other children, even though they had shown no previous inclination to this behavior.  Homosexual sin is contagious, like any other.  Victims become victimizers.
Mar 3, 2011 2:15 PM Guest Elizabeth  says in response to Jon B:

Jon, the Christian parental requirements probably didn't have anything to their religious beliefs.  Probably, the requirements were what the parents thought they could handle.  Not every Christian is built to handle every kind of temperment perfectly.

This may not be the best example, but we recently decided to adopt a dog.  We got a Jack Russell terrier.  This dog was horrible!  He whined at night, stealth-pooped when he could, and ran circles around my son, yipping at his heels.  With 3 kids in the house already, we couldn't handle this dog.  And keep our sanity.

The rescue organization that we got the Jack Russell terrier from has a policy in which you can return any dog, up to 2 weeks later, if the dog is not a good fit for your family.  We returned the dog.  We definitely wanted a dog.  We definitely did not want that dog.

We've since adopted 2 dachshunds, one from a rescue organization, and one straight from the county shelter.  These family dogs are wonderful for everyone.  Such sweet dogs!  We love them so much!

What I learned on a small scale with dogs, I'm sure is true on a much larger scale when adopting a child:  temperment counts.  All kids aren't the same.

My guess is, the families who were "picky" were just aware of what they could and could not handle.  Better to be upfront about their own limitations.  

Mar 3, 2011 2:25 PM Guest Eric  says in response to Marty:

Amen to what Marty said!  That is right on, grounded firmly in a thorough and consistent understanding of the New Testament.

 

How we put that into practice in this day and age is tricky -- what is frowned on by the government and politically correct agencies around the world is precisely the declaration that you hate the sin...  "How dare you tell me what sin is!  You are judging me if you do that!".  Ah, but what we learn from the passage Marty referred to (John 8:1-11) is that "judgment" in Biblical language meant "the carrying out of judgment", in other words what we would call "sentencing" today.  We are exhorted "not to judge" others, in other words to not condemn.  "Judgment" , condemnation, and sentencing all went hand in hand in those days, and could mean just as easily "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" as a stoning.  It is in this sense that we are exhorted to leave the "judging" up to God!  It does not mean that we park our brains at the door, don't do any discerning of our own, that truth is all relative, or that we should refrain from speaking into the world around us.  None of those responses is grounded in Christ's teaching or example.

 

So how do you "love the sinner" and "hate the sin", if it is your own flesh and blood or an adopted child, in the context of this world that wants no moral absolutes, no definition of sin... it becomes practically impossible.  The woman in the above passage did not reject Jesus' assertion that she had been sinning -- she was grateful not to have been stoned -- we intuit that she was grateful for the pardon!  But today, the story might end differently, with the woman sueing for defamation or bigotry or whatever it might be called.

 

Let us not forget that in Jesus' day, it wasn't all that different.  Though He never sinned, though He never did anything wrong to anyone, the powers of that age (Pharisees, scribes, rulers) simply could not tolerate that He spoke the truth -- when he told them that they were "whitewashed tombs", that they were holding up a worthless, false exterior of righteousness, while they were full of sin on the inside.  The Jewish establishment killed Jesus for it, and John the Baptist lost his head because he told Herod that he shouldn't have slept with Herodias, his brother Philip's wife...

 

While the new testament writers progressively dismantle the Jewish ritual / traditional restrictions regarding food, dress and other cultural customs, ALL the NT authors uphold the same definition of sexual morality.  They all draw on the Genesis account of God's creation of "male and female" for each other, upholding the union of a man and woman as the basic family unit, repeatedly using marital faithfulness as a measuring stick or metaphor for faithfulness in other areas of life.  All of the writers attest that Jesus throws out every element of the Jewish ritual law while upholding and EXPANDING (Matt. 5) the moral law, which we understand as being the framework of truth, the basis on which we are to love and interact with others.  Sexual morality is retained as part of moral law by ALL of the New Testament writers, from which we understand that it was not merely Jewish ritual tradition.

 

But without a common belief in the existence of sin, with no common definition of what sin is, the Christian faith will indeed seem to be incompatible with this society -- not only with regards to foster homes or adoption -- and if the majority indeed no longer believes in Jesus or the moral values he and his disciples upheld, it will be very difficult for us to get along.

 

To follow the Messiah, the only Son of God, we are called upon to seek Love, Faith, Truth, and Righteousness, all things which the relativists and materialists say don't really exist... so why are we surprised?

Mar 7, 2011 10:16 AM Guest Larsen E W  says:
I  startled by the comments of people like "Pam", who seemed to be supporting Jon.  How can an educated person like Pam say,". . . to knowingly subject a child that may be  homosexual or may love someone that is, to live in a home where they  will be reviled . . ."?  This shows stunning ignorance of Christian values, and I'm simply boggled that the Christian community accepts insults like this.  Isn't anyone defending their faith anymore?  Doesn't anyone here recognize the ignorance being displayed?  Not to mention that a small child doesn't have any sexual "preferences"!
Mar 3, 2011 3:10 PM Guest Carolyn W.  says in response to Shawn:
There is a misconception that to be tolerant we must embrace a behavior.   This is incorrect.  We must never be tolerant of sin. However, we must love the sinner (no matter what the age) and part of loving someone is pointing out the truth in a loving manner.  If I though my child was going to play in a busy street, I certainly wouldn't stand back and allow him the 'freedom of expression' to achieve his own destruction.  The same goes for other destructive behavior.
Mar 3, 2011 2:43 PM Guest Andy  says:
  Here a great family wants to share their home and they are being told no but a same sex household can, in what world does that make sense?
Mar 3, 2011 2:46 PM Guest MacKenzie  says in response to Lena G:
Is it bad that parents or foster parents must show compassion and love and not bigotry? Since when does being a Christian dictate that we can tell people who they are is wrong? I'm sorry, I have never agreed with many of Focus on the Family's morality. They just aren't Biblical in my opinion. As a woman who dearly loves God, it saddens me that people who claim the same faith as me feel it is okay to have bigotry. Remember when the Bible was used to say slavery was ok, or that women should be subservient to men? This truly saddens me. I'm going to pray now that all of us can have bigger hearts. What if one of their foster children was homosexual? Very sad.
Mar 3, 2011 3:37 PM Guest JB  says:

Good Lord Have Mercy....can't judge....depends on the 'context'


if marriage is linked to reproduction, and obvs. there's no such thing as 'homosexual reproduction', then yeah, 'gay marraige' is no good

 

*however* this idea in and of itself can't lead people to discriminate against these folks in ways such as bullying, hate, crime, etc.  They're people too.  Homosexual orientation is not always 'chosen', it may be a consequence of trauma, genetics, biology/hormones, etc., and to some extent may be 'addressed', but is not something to be 'stifled' or 'masked' or 'corrected' if not *acted on* wrongly (i.e. via sodomy, elicit sexual activity, etc.) *but* not all people who are 'homosexual' do those sorts of things.  nor is it a 'pride' thing, 'pride's' no good too (ref. Gospel/Christ, prov., etc. thanks be to GOD)....and we must remember 'heterosexual 'sin'' is 'equivalent' perhaps, it's not just a 'gay discrimination thing'

 

And 'society' God Willing perhaps shouldn't be so quick to generally call a domestic or crafty or artsy guy or a 'tomboyish' girl gay ....these stereotypes cause even more 'confusion' and issues Lord Have Mercy....sex and marriage are *reproductive gifts* to all 'Called to' such God Willing, and not all are necessarily (ref. gen.1, mt.19, thanks be to GOD).  Also, 'close friendships' such as that of David and Jonathan Biblically, that almost seem 'romantic' and 'non-sexually intimate' may God Willing *not* be 'gay-lationships' for real, but if such 'appeared' in the world God Forgive, it may be perceived as such. so let's not 'judge' folks doin' 'the right things' and being unto The LORD.

 

homosexual orientation is not a sin any more than perhaps genetic 'predisposition' to alcoholism is, however acting on it wrongly or abandoning faith/God's Word for it is a different thing altogether!

 

I think the gov't should be outside of marriage, it's a church/religious/God-Vocated institution God Willing.  health care proxy, housing forms, emergency decisions, etc. should not rely on gender or sexuality or marital status.  'Tax breaks' or financial benefits should be 'kept in reserve' perhaps only for couples once they have a child or children, and not just 'spread upon' all married couples under the assumption that they will.  God Willing, those called to such will.  That being said, the additional money if there be any should *go* into the foster system, for single parents by widowing or 'divorce' Lord Have Mercy or just maybe 'single folk' who adopt.  It's not a matter of 'sexual orientation', action and words do matter though, and what we teach our kids does too (ref. provs. thanks be to GOD)

 

I guess it depends what exactly these folks said, if they'd raised 15+ kids, I'd hope the attitude wasn't one of 'hate'.  But Lord and the court and these people only know what was said.  But by 'all means' if the attitude wasn't one of hate or calling for 'discrimination' against such people but simply being 'opposed' to 'gay marriage' that's a different thing all together and not a 'threatening' position.  if they say 'gays should/do burn in hell' simply for being gay, then, God Forgive, hey that's not up to us, we don't know what every 'gay' person does or how they act.  it's a problem in a society that perceives sex as a 'right' or 'need' and not a God-Given, meaningful 'Calling'

 

thanks y'all n thanks be to GOD PLGB

Mar 3, 2011 3:57 PM Guest Greg C.  says:
When I was a 6th grade teacher I had a student who wrote in his journal he couldn't sleep at night because of all the friends his mom had at her house. She was a witch. She practiced the Wicca religion. When I brought that to her attention she went off on me about how she hates Christianity and what it teaches people. She was very angry. I didn't even bring up Christianity. The kicker is...she is an approved foster mother for children who are temporarily without a home. It knocked me for a loop of reality.
Mar 3, 2011 3:27 PM Guest Laura  says:

I want to point out that it is possible (and very common) to be both a Christian and accepting of homosexuality. As one of those people, I don't like to be lumped in with the closed-minded Christians of today.

Mar 3, 2011 3:28 PM Guest Dan  says in response to Andy:

You folks getting all worked up with your holier-than-thou judgment on families that have criteria for who they'll take need to take a breath and get over yourselves.  Most of you have no clue whatsoever about their circumstances and decision process.  You want to quote Jesus - well, you better watch out for that log in your eye!

 

How about being thankful that a family will take in any kid, which is something the vast majority of Christians wouldn't even consider!

Mar 3, 2011 3:31 PM Guest Lauren  says:
Mr. and Mrs. Johns, if you see this, keep fighting the good fight! We here in the U.S. support you. Do not lose faith, do not lose hope, even when times are their darkest. God is with you smiling down. -A sister in Christ
Mar 3, 2011 3:33 PM Guest Lauren  says in response to Betsy:
Betsy, I'm glad you fought the good fight. I'm sorry that you encountered this- It is unfortunate what our society is turning into. May God bless your family and your little one.
Mar 3, 2011 4:01 PM Guest Delane  says:
15 years ago we went through the foster/adoption process in Galveston County, Texas.  We were not declined because of our Christian faith, however another Christian family who homeschooled their children were.  The agency stated they were being denied because of the combination of Christian faith and homeschooling.  They said that if the children were in public school then it would be "safer" to keep an eye on them in the Christian family. How crazy is that and that was 15 years ago!
Mar 3, 2011 4:05 PM Guest Melisa  says in response to JB:
I agree with Laura.  Although we are called to love all people, there may be times in the life of a family that bringing a child into their home who is sexually active or attracted to the same sex, could cause more problems for the existing family.  Everyone has limits.  Not all foster families could handle a child with physical or mental disabilities either.  That is not saying anything about the child with problems.  The family has to decide what they can and cannot do for that season of their life.
Mar 3, 2011 5:02 PM Guest Ruth  says:
Why is it that good homes are denied as foster homes, while every year we hear of cases of abuse, neglect and even murder in foster care?  It seems their is no rhyme or reason in how they pick families.  In Maryland we had a case where a foster child had died, and had been put in a freezer.  This was found out after another child escaped.  I really don't understand what is going on.  This family in England should be allowed to take in children.
Mar 3, 2011 5:33 PM Guest Kerry  says in response to Jon B:

In response to  Jon B......I hope the (Christian) people you are talking about in regards to accepting or not accepting children who are sexually active, are parents themselves already and are only stipulating these boundaries as ways to protect children already in their care.  I know I would be extremely careful as to what children I would allow into my home when I have minors already in my care.  I know what you're saying about it being a two way street, but we also need to practise wisdom. It is very sad though to hear you say that people still worry about the colour of skin.

 

I am in Australia and my husband and I have been through the very gruelling process of wanting to become adoptive parents.........it's unbelievable how invasive the process is.  Unfortunately (and heartbreakingly) for us, we were denied on the grounds of my husbands parents not being accepting or supportive of the idea.  Even though we wanted to do what James encourages us to do, it didn't work out that way for us.  I would like to encourage other loving families in America to give it a go while it's still possible.

Mar 3, 2011 5:35 PM Guest Bryan  says in response to Pam:

Pam,

 

Don't confuse love with accepting unhealthy behaviour. Just because the parent doesn't agree with the homosexual behaviour and has rules against such behaviour doesn't mean that the parent can't love them at the same time. Just as any responsible parent is going to discourage their child for using illegal drugs--and should even punish them to discourage this; but we wouldn't say that the parent doesn't love the child because they don't love the child's drug use!

 

Sounds like a few commenters need to giver their heads a shake and realize that (a) sinful behavious need to be discouraged by parents and (b) doing so has nothing to do with loving or not loving the children who exhibit those behaviours.

Mar 3, 2011 5:41 PM Guest Ben  says in response to Jon B:

I am a christian and a foster parent, and i couldn't agree more with what you said.

Jesus " ate with sinners" I would take any child, and just love on them.

Mar 3, 2011 6:07 PM Guest Misty  says in response to Elizabeth:

Actually this did have to do with their religious beliefs.  It also has to do with the UN's Convention on the Rights of A Child, a treaty which we need to do everything in our power from being signed by the U.S. Government. You can read more about the story:http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/breaking-news-high-court-judgment-suggests-christian-beliefs-harmful-

And more about the United Nation's Convention on the Rights of A Child, and the Parental Rights Amendment: http://parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={0FB2F54F-D6F7-45CA-BBC3-17C59D290DE9}&

Mar 3, 2011 6:22 PM Guest Fred  says in response to Pam:

A truly loving Christian would warn a homosexual foster child of the long term damage of his choice.  This damage is spelled out in a secular UK study on homosexuality  published in Health 24:

 

**Text omitted due to copyright laws.**

 

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=255614
Mar 3, 2011 6:51 PM Guest Denise  says in response to susan:
Hi, Susan. Just curious what state you are in? I've been pondering becoming a foster parent and adoption, so it's good to know what to be aware of.
Mar 3, 2011 7:36 PM Guest Denise  says in response to Fred:
No. Adoption cannot be banned, it is unethical.
Mar 3, 2011 7:41 PM Guest sami  says in response to Jon B:
It is a very sad world that we live in today. for so called CHRISTians to reject children because of their belief (or non belief) is ubsurd. those are the children who desperately need to be in christian homes so they may have the chance to find out about Him and to grow in Jesus!!! Christ is the center for christianity and if we cannot show the love of Christ how can we call ourselves CHRISTians? while we are not perfect and that is the exact reason God sent a third of his being to die for us we still need to make it a point to honor and love our lord and savior just as he loves us!!! we are in the process of trying to adopt our nephew and it is a very rigorous process but if it is in Gods will for us to get him thats what we want. that is exactly how those people denying children, and prospective parents as well, should look at it. God has placed or attempted to place them there for a reason so grasp ahold of that and expect a blessing out of it whether it be directly to you or child.
Mar 3, 2011 8:14 PM Guest Linda R.  says:

My husband and I became foster parents 5 years ago in the hope of adopting a child into our family.  We went through the classes that we are required to take to become foster parents and as God would have it, some of the other couples taking the classes at the time were homosexuals (two men and two women).  Though it was incredibly uncomfortable, the experience reinforced one of the reasons we got involved.  Because if we as Christians do not take care of the orphans (James 2) then who will?  I am convinced that foster parenting is a calling.  Children need a healthy home to not only thrive but also heal.  Heal from the heartache as well as the trauma that has been inflicted on them at such an early age.

 

At our 2nd year inspection, our resource manager came with some new papers that we had to fill out.  A questionaire.  I was taken aback when I started reading the questions.  All the questions pertained to our beliefs concerning homosexuality.  We asked why this was being given now and what would happen if we didn't fill it out.  She said it was a new and that it would be a part of the home studies from now on....  That it may hinder our chances of adopting through the state if we didn't fill it out.  Fear gripped me at first as I was afraid that we would loose the chance to adopt if we didn't answer the questionnaire.  Though also what would happen if we answered the questions based on our faith/moral values.  We were truthful and she just put the paper in our file.  I am assuming it is still there - it never hindered the path for the children that God wanted us to foster.

 

The next advancement for homosexuality in the fostering system has come through courses we have to taken every 3 years.  We are required to take 21 hours of classes to keep our license.  One of the classes had to do with homosexuality.  While we are not required to take that class specifically I choose to take it because I wanted to see what the person who wrote the class had to say.  I was STUNNED!!!  It was written from the perspectative of an advocate for homosexuality - completely.  There was no other view presented except theirs and that included us being termed homophobic because we did not believe the way the class instructor believed.  It was totally about what they believed was right and if you believed any other way you were wrong.

 

We continue to foster and now 5 years later are in the trial period of a possible adoption - it's a boy!!!  A teenage boy - God sure has a different agenda then we do.  I wanted a girl!!

 

Anyway.... what has occurred in the UK is devastating.  A real sadness and disbelief.  We should not be told by our government or the courts how to parent!!  I tell our children that God loves everyone!!  EVERYONE!!  Though He has given us a book called the Holy Bible and in this book are the answers to how to live life - His way.  One is to stay away from sexual sin.  Whether it be adultery, fornication or homosexuality - sexual sin is sexual sin.  Just like sin is sin.  What the courts has decided will be what they will have to answer to almighty God someday.  And what this couple and the many more couples who will go through this trial will be responsible for is the answers of what they taught to be God's Truth.  At this point I believe it is most important that they honor God and trust God with the direction that this is going.  May God have mercy on the souls that prevent the little children from knowing/going to Him.

Mar 4, 2011 7:16 AM Guest Timothy M.  says:

I applaud the John's for standing up for Biblical principles. I know it hurts them not to be able to  be foster parents  because of that ridiculous law, but God will reward them for standing for what is right. It seems this world is turning more and more against God and the principles He lays out for us in His Word The Holy Bible. It just tells me that Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is soon to rapture the church, and those who don't know Jesus as Savior and Lord had better heed the warniing and trust and except Him now before it is eternally to late. We as believer need to continue to take a stand for the Truth without compromise. There is no room for compromise in the Kingdom of God.         

Mar 4, 2011 7:30 AM Guest holly b.  says:
I don't see that the UK courts mandated that they teach homosexuality is right, only that "foster parents demonstrate positive attitudes toward homosexuality." Depending on how the mandate is worded, could they not argue that they teach the kids to love homosexuals with Christ's love and, though they do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle, they respect the right to make one's own choices?  Demonstrating love to homosexuals seems "positive" to me.
Mar 4, 2011 7:30 AM Guest Kathy  says in response to Linda R.:
I fostered for 7 years and adopted 6 children, but after experiences we had working with the system.  My question is do you know the possible risks you are taking doing foster care.
Mar 4, 2011 7:32 AM Guest Jinny B.  says in response to Laura:
Jon, Laura has an improtant point. My husband and I have been in several situations where the people we had invited into our home and were trying to help ended up being too toxic for our own children. We had no regrets for endeavoring to assisit them for a time but we couldn't allow them to stay for long out of concern that they would seriously harm our own kids.
Mar 3, 2011 10:14 PM Dago Dago    says in response to Kelli L.:
Kelli, it's wonderful you want to help with fostering. Any involvement from a believer is great and needed. You mention you have the calling to foster "straight from God" however this might just be in conflict with the same God who created marriage between a man and a woman and that both parts of this union are required for the full and complete nurturing of children. If you feel you are "looked down on" it may be that you have a part to play by acknowledging you need to complete the roles as God defined them. God does not go against His own principles and rules. I am speaking from the viewpoint of one who has adopted children who came from abuse and from the absense of one of the parents. It was quite the struggle to build the process and the  values and support around this vacancy and need in their lives. The outcome is very beautiful and wonderful as my wife and I watch them beginning to accept the roles and how we each fulfill needs in their lives. So wonderful also to know they can then better understand and accept God completely since God put His whole image into the man and woman together, not into one or the other. We complete His image when we are together and then can show the world and our children what He is like and how they can understand and live with Him and each other.
Mar 3, 2011 11:00 PM Guest Sam  says in response to Linda R.:
This is a sign of the times, that the Bible has told us about, so I am not surprised at anything that happens in the world, whether in the UK or the USA... God is not welcome in most of the world today and neither are the principles which we Christians live by.  I can only say "Come Lord Jesus Come Quickley"..
Mar 4, 2011 12:28 AM Guest Deb  says:

We have fostered a girl who is now grown and a practicing homosexual, along with other things. We constantly tell her how much we love her and want her to be a part of the family, but I am very clear to her that the things she does are not acceptable to us. First the unconditional love, then the clarity.

God showed me recently that the love I have for her is not mine, but His. He is persuing her through me b/c she runs away from Him at every turn. The shepherd is seeking His lost lamb - and that is how I would describe her. So many of these kids have been abused in such atrocious ways, how skewed is their understanding of sexuality? And the media and the pressure for tolerance, etc. adding to the confusion. Each kid is different, but we should be approaching them with healing and God's love. The more my foster daughter finds and trusts our acceptance and love, the more I share with her about how I feel about her behaviors and choices. In fact, I shared with her what God told me about the His love for her and she thought that was cool.

Our job is to Love The Lord Your God with ALL Your Heart and Soul and Mind - that is the greatest commandment. Not tolerance - in many cases you cannot do both. Our living Christian martyrs in Muslim lands know that His love really is stronger than anything that might come against it. Understanding the kind of love that martyrs have even for their enemies - that is the love we need to have for our foster/adopt children and even those CPS workers. Fearless Love.

Homosexuals have an agenda. They push for a lower and lower sexual consent age and now this. It doesn't take much imagination to guess why. We must have Fearless Love and much prayer and communication with the One who gives it - for this is His battle, not ours, though we are warriors in it. Russel D. Moore talks about how adoption IS spiritual battle.

Mar 4, 2011 2:41 AM Guest Sam  says:
Maybe it's time to file discrimination charges, because plain and simple, they were discriminated against because of their religion. One wonders if they had been Islamic, would the same thing have happened?
Mar 4, 2011 5:45 AM Guest Amanda  says:
I would just like to let Mr. and Mrs. Johns know that I am praying for them and their journey as they pray through their situation.  My husband and I have a perfect 12 month old that we just adopted from Ethiopia so I know how frustrating it can be to adopt.  And this new law in the UK only makes the process more heart wrenching.  But I do know that if God has more children in mind for the Johns home that He will place those children there.  Because even though the government tries to stop our God and His plans, we always remember that ALL things are possible when you love and follow Jesus!  So I  will pray for the Johns family as they pray through the next step in God's plan for their family. 
Mar 4, 2011 6:02 AM Guest Becca  says:

What of the CHILD who does not agree with homosexuality or pre-marital sex?  Some children REQUEST to be placed in a Christian home.  Is it fair to place them in a home that will make them feel like bigots?  In a home that is intolerant of THEIR values?  Maybe governments think this scenerio is okay because the child needs to be reformed.

 

Where will this lead?  Today, we must approve of homosexuality and sex outside of marriage.  Tomorrow, we may be considered intolerant if we reject the notions of lying, stealing, or adult-child sex.  Who decides?

 

I have gay and pro-gay family members.  I love them.  I have alcoholic and drug-addicted friends.  I love them.  But I don't PROMOTE or EMBRACE their values, just as they do not PROMOTE  or EMBRACE mine.

Mar 4, 2011 6:29 AM Guest Melissa V  says:
My husband and I took a state-sponsored special needs foster care/adoption class in Indiana in the hope that we could adopt a teenage boy.  Unfortunately, the social workers running the class believed that because of our religious views, we would be too "judgmental" to properly care for a child.  One even stated that if we were in her placement region, we would be denied adoption.  We had already done foster care for two years (through a private agency) prior to these classes, so this came as quite a shock to us.  Because of their special needs, these children have already been deemed "difficult to place."  I have to wonder whether it would be better for a teenage boy to remain in a group home or be placed in a loving, if somewhat "judgmental," home.  In any case, their attitude toward us was shameful.  We were willing to offer a loving, caring home, and we could have provided an excellent academic and spiritual environment for a child; but we were denied this chance by a group of social workers that we deem "judgmental."
Mar 4, 2011 8:13 AM Guest renee p  says in response to Linda R.:
We live in Mass. and 6 yrs. ago we had a young man as a foster child, he was 15 then.  Being Christians, we asked him to attend church with us which he refused to do and of course, as a child of the state, you can't insist even if you wanted to.  After one of his meetings with a counselor, we were told that if he wanted to attend a support group for homosexuals, we had to transport him, wait somewhere for about two hours and take him home again.  If there were two meetings in a week, then we were bound to make that a priority over any plans we may have had, otherwise it would be considered interfering with his personal rights.  He didn't stay with us long, my daughter found him playing with her underware and freaked out, as we used to say.  He ran away (to a friends house....the agency picked him up two hours later) and he wouldn't come back to our home....which is too bad, we liked him and would have liked to give him more of an option regarding his sexuality than the homosexual community was giving him.  It's a complicated senario.....it takes a gentle hand to try to steer someone onto a path of light but both of our kids were not willing to try foster care again.  They've since moved away from home but I don't see us stepping into that again.
Mar 4, 2011 6:56 AM Guest jspmet  says in response to Jon B:
Aside from our morals, their are laws concerning children and sexual activity.  What parent would want to bring this into their home if their are children there that they are trying to protect?
Mar 4, 2011 8:23 AM Guest Kristin  says:

One thing we need to remember is that if we are stepping up (in masses) as Christians and meeting the needs of children in care ... the government agencies notice.  They are so used to having people from churches come in and want to do a "diaper" drive or something and then they never hear from them again.  It is about buiding relationships and truly making a difference.  In our county here in Minnesota, it has taken about three years, but our church is finally being seen as one that "cares" because we haven't taken off.  Christians need to realize that we are called to step up and do something.  Even when it is hard, and even when the courts may tell us eventually that they won't place kids with us, even when it takes years to make a difference.  I live in a very liberal state, but I have also seen hearts changed when people actually follow through consistently in helping these kids.  Quite frankly, as a whole, I don't believe Christians are truly doing what we could be to make a difference.  The Christian Church is really the only "organized" entity that is large enough to make a difference, which is why Focus on the Family's Wait No More campaign has been successful.  We must not "worry" about what the courts are going to do, and stand up and love as Christ would love, keep to our convictions and pray for the needs of our country!  And we must do this even when it is hard and we don't feel they support us.

Mar 4, 2011 9:05 AM Guest Liz H.  says:
As a Christian mother, I, too, am experiencing this type of reverse discrimination. I am  disgusted that our country would rather place a child in a home where there is rampant sexual sin and perverse "family role models" instead of in a home where they would learn good Christian values! Christians are becoming discriminated against in the name of "fairness" to gays.I am disgusted. In my child's school it is prohibited to pray yet gays can meet and talk about how they are discriminated against. This is exactly why our country is falling apart. It is all about personal freedoms and what makes the individual "feel" good.
Mar 4, 2011 9:07 AM Guest Joyce  says in response to patricia c.:

I agree with what you, Pam and Jon are saying but I think you are missing the point here.  These people are Christians and are trying to do the right thing by taking care of the "orphans."   But, because they do not agree with homosexuality, they are being told they can't be foster parents or adopt.  No where in the Bible does it say that we are to accept a sinful behavior - reprove each other, brothers.  Several times Jesus told people to "Go and Sin no more."  We are to  help these children understand what is true and what isn't.  Yes, above all things we are to love, but to truly love a child we should guide him/her to seek Christ and be more like Him in everything we do (or don't do!).  After all, isn't one's salvation THE most important issue here? 

 

Am I to take it that each of you would sign a document saying that you will willingly accept and teach all forms of sexuality?  Are you going to sign it and then lie?  How can you be faithful to God and your faith by openly accepting homosexuality - that which God clearly told us was wrong and even deplorable (His words, not mine)?  Yes, Jesus taught us to love everyone, but He also taught us to not be hipocrits.  (Whipping the money changers in God's home).  Standing up for righteousness is never wrong and these people are being prevented from sharing their love because of not agreeing with this world's view.  "Christians" need to be careful that they are not being slowly deceived by this view, as well!  Love others, yes; but NEVER stop standing up for what is RIGHT in God's eyes. 

Mar 4, 2011 9:27 AM Guest Keith  says:
Unquestionably the battle has been on for many years.  Poeple of different beliefs trying to force their belief's on others.  This battle goes way beyond same sex marriage, etc.  It prevades almost every aspect of our lives.  We, Christians or otherwise, who believe homosexuality is wrong need to stand up for that belief, take the heat from those that want to silence us and as you said, "turn the world rightside up."  We need to be steadfast in our faith and committed to staying the course of the battle.  All to often, we turn the other cheek for whatever reason.  I know a lot of gay people.  Most of them are fine upstanding people with good hearts.  I don't for a moment agree with their lifestyle choice but I do my best to love them as Jesus taught us 2000 years ago.  I'd be interested in any suggestions, articles or teachings anyone can offer about how to combat this dilemma when dealing with people who embrace this choice.
Mar 4, 2011 10:15 AM Guest Robbie  says in response to Pam:

I have learned through experience that the moral truths God's given us are key to living a fulfilling life.  I have five children, I teach them that homosexuality isn't what God has intended for them, neither is divorce, sex outside of marriage, or abortion.  If my children don't follow these moral standards, they will understand for themselves the trouble that comes with the choice they have made, and their relationship with God will suffer.  The decisions they make will never take away from the love that I have for them.  We are told to love each other unconditionally, we do.  We love them more by not accepting the world's ideals over our Father's truths.  By passing along the words of our Father to our children, and holding them to a high standard of obedience, we give them the chance at the fulfilling life that God has promised them.  That is parenting, not bigotry.  Faith is not a hobby, God is not a fleeting idea, Truth is not debatible, not for true believers.  Stop discounting God's teachings as though they were guidelines meant to be followed only when it's socially acceptable, and don't refer to your Christian brothers and sisters as "the nuts of the world".

Mar 4, 2011 12:14 PM Guest L.A.  says in response to Jon B:

Those who are thinking about adoption and foster parenting should consider the potential impacts to any birth children they may have living in the home.  We have two birth children who we raised in the Lord, and four years ago we adopted a sibling group.  For years we have experienced violence, lying, theft, false accusations against the family that have resulted in three visits from the police, drug use, etc. All of this has adversely impacted our birth children.  We have no regrets and we see the good the Lord has done even through difficult circumstances.  However, I can understand why some families won't accept children with certain challenges, and why some won't bend on the standards for their home.  If we didn't have our birth children in the home, we might be willing to tolerate more.  We can't have one set of standards for the birth children and another for the adopted children.

Mar 4, 2011 12:40 PM Guest susan  says in response to Denise:

Hello Denise.

I am in Washington state.

The foster care experience has been wonderful for the most part.  It is one of the most rewarding things I have ever done.

Mar 4, 2011 1:35 PM Guest Reed  says in response to Jon B:
I think it's a big mistake in assuming that christian families may or may not take care of those kids who go morally astray.  Certainly, if those kids were your own natural offspring, every christian would love them no matter what they did.  However, what is overlooked is that real life consequences and tough love is also what Christians should offer to their kids, just as Jesus did as well...  Almost all disipline and obedience nowadays is watered down by secular "do whatever feels good" attitudes.  Really, the related issue that's overlooked is that Social Services will literally step into any families home if they feel the child has been spanked or even just disaplined in an incorrect political manner.  This is the underlying plan that big brother has for us today; government intevention with government rules for proper politically correct behavior.  Even the kids know nowadays that they can run to Social Services with self inflicted red marks and cause a huge amount of trouble for the trusting christian parents.
Mar 4, 2011 1:42 PM Guest Jamie  says:

Say "bye" to society as it swirls down the toliet.  The thing is, there isn't much that can be done.  We can only share God with others, who are increasingly hostile to the concept of rules and judgement, especially where it concerns homosexuality.  The new rampant attitude is "my god is whoever I want him to be; my religion is customizable," without a recognized belief in absolute truth, let alone a consideration of it.  This attitude assumes that mandatory acceptance of any belief or choice is a law of the universe, and yet absolutely cannot fathom the idea that there could be a God who has set distinct rules for human living and does not want those rules to be broken.  I think the theory of evolution is to blame in a big way for this.  It's funny that people don't even stop to realize the inconsistencies of what they believe and the effects such beliefs will have on the future.

 

Let's take aethistic evolution.  To believe that there is no God, that the beginning of life was a random chance.  That being the case and life being merely physical, there is no such thing as order.  Order would require intention, and there is no being or controlling force to have that intention.  If there is no such thing as order, there no moral guidelines to which people must hold themselves.  People can design their morals however they choose.  Given that revelation, laws are merely contracts (agreements by the individuals of the society on certain moral guidelines) and are therefore changeable and breakable without bothering any conscience.  The idea that people shouldn't hurt each other for personal gain and the concept of love are merely romantic notions, based on emotions, which result from purely physical, physiological processes.  There is no hope for an after life or a better future.  What could anyone possibly strive to beyond immediate material gains??  It's a truly depressing, dismal outlook on life, and it will eventually affect everything in society, especially since we teach it as a truth rather than what it is- a theory with too many holes.

 

Our society's sudden acceptance of homosexuality is going to affect everything- roles in heterosexual relationships, education, the acceptance of Christianity, laws concerning homeschooling and social welfare.  Everything.  Parents will not be allowed to raise their children in accordance with their convictions.  We will basically be a communist society, still called a democratic republic, just for that warm and fuzzy feeling...

Mar 4, 2011 1:58 PM Guest Julie  says in response to Laura:
I agree that caution is necessary and it is not unloving in the least to consider the impact on your other children and your own limitations and find it isn't wise to pursue in your present situation.  It is not an out right rejection of children who do not share our beliefs to say that we are not able to commit to parent such a child. The solution here isn't berating Christians for having standards.
Mar 4, 2011 4:53 PM Guest Steve  says:

Hi Jim,

 

Unfortunately the evangelical view of homosexuality is discriminating. Human beings are not to be discriminated on the basis of their sex, race, creed or sexual orientation.  The Johns I see are of African decent.  There was a time when children were raised to discriminant against blacks.  Sexual orientation is no different.  Unfortunately, if the state is providing funds for an adoption agency, that agency cannot discriminat and receive state funds.  That makes sense. The state does not finance discrmination.  The Johns will have to choose between their creed and society's uncompromising positon on discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. Evidentlhy they have choosen to practice their faith and discriminate against homosexuals.

 

Steve

Mar 4, 2011 5:27 PM Guest Wayne R.  says in response to Jon B:

Jon B. is absolutely right, and there is a simple solution. My family and I (wife and three children) partnered in therapeutic foster care (we got the kids no one else would take) for nearly two decades, and adopted one. We went through the same drilling and in depth inspection, and the concerns about "intolerance" when we first signed up. However, after a period of time of success, we were told by the director of the program she would be focusing on recruiting Christians (not one herself) as foster care parents.

We had a simple approach. We made it clear from the beginning that, as in any home with structure, certain behaviors wouldn't be permitted in our home and we wouldn't compromise, however, we understood that Jesus didn't change people through rules, but through being who He is. He didn't show love to people because of their purity (where would we all be?), but He sought out even the most difficult, and His love didn't deny choice ("I put before you life and death, choose life.") it gave reason to make the right one.

The children in our home saw our intolerance for destructive behavior, but understood the reasons why because we tried to let them see the difference for themselves. If you walk in "the spirit of the law", "the letter of the law" doesn't have to be enforced, it's chosen!" "I will write My laws upon their hearts." Jesus walked in "the spirit of the law" and used "the letter of the law" as a guide to those who would follow. God's will was made known at Mt. Sinai in the form of "the letter of the law" written in stone., but who could keep it? His will was again made known at Pentecost, but by the Spirit written on their hearts, and Mt Sinai's "law of stone" became mere staements of fact at Pentecost! ("You will not kill." etc)The world doesn't need Mt Sinai, it needs Pentecost! We have learned nothing if not this truth!

Will the love of Jesus always be received? No! But, let the reasons be those of choice, not lack of it because His love wasn't introduced. We all know the days we are living in and anti-Christian rulings will come, but if the Church fails to be the Church Jesus intends we give them excuse. Jesus intends to "reproduce" Himself through His "bride" ("Go make disciples..."). "Reproduction" requires intimacy (see Jesus prayer in John 17)! Let the world see that Christianity is not just another religion made of laws, but a relationship steeped in power for change. This is the true gospel!

There's a children's book (among other helps) posted free on the web that helps children understand the simplicity and truth of what Jesus does for us. It's titled "HUNGRY THE CATERPILLAR GETS REBORN" and can be found at:  http://faithstruth.com/4.html


Mar 4, 2011 8:28 PM Guest Rachel  says in response to Ruth:
That is exactly what I was thinking when I read this. How long until they say we aren't fit to raise our own children? It may just be a matter of time.
Mar 5, 2011 9:07 AM Guest Aj  says:

As my husband and I have dealt with CPS and a kinship situation where we cared for an infant (10 of the first 13 months of his life) in our own family I have learned many things.....

 

The reality is this: As christians, we have allowed our govt to take over MANY areas that are our responsibilty...orphans and widows as an example....and now there is very little we can do about it. Don't get me wrong, we can still do some things, but by law we are bound by so much. For decades we have allowed the govt to dictate what we can and cannot do and now that so many of our 'rights/freedoms' have been stripped we are up in arms. Why? Because we are selfish, self-centered, and fear how it will impact us, our families, our comforts, etc.. It wasn't until OUR rights were infringed upon that we decided to stand up for others...that's sad and pathetic. I am guilty.

 

I say too little too late. Do I quit? NO. Do I give up? NO. Do I stand up and fight for what is right...beginning where I am (my church, my schools, my community)? ABSOLUTELY.

Mar 5, 2011 3:00 PM Guest Dawn S.  says in response to Jon B:
"Jesus didn't come to help those who agreed with him. He helped those who needed him"-exactly Jon- his words and actions showed this so many times. In the same way, a Christian couple/family who can show love in their words and actions-even if the child  doesn't follow the couple/families' morals initially- may make more impact on such a child who needs a home... than leaving them without a needed home.
Mar 5, 2011 4:22 PM Guest Michelle  says:

This isn't exactly accurate - they were turned down not because they were Christian, but because it was determined that their aversion to homosexuality could negatively impact the lives of the children they wanted to foster. From what I can tell, though, they wanted to do short-term fostering (although this isn't in every article I read and it's not entirely clear).

 

I'm an atheist and vehemently in favor of gay rights, and don't think any child deserves to grow up in an environment that tells them that if they love someone of the same sex, that love is a sin. But in the case that the Johns really were only going to foster children short-term and weren't going to adopt them, I have to admit that this ruling does seem somewhat unfair. Hate is hate, but the Johns don't seem to be all-around hateful people, and I'm sure spending a short while with homophobes is better than being without any semblance of a family at all.

Mar 6, 2011 2:36 AM Guest Reed  says:

     Jesus said that His word would judge us in the last day.  Just like the days of Lot, just like the days of Noah.  There will be and are many false prophets who deny the Lord Jesus Christ.  They have a different Jesus too.  This different Jesus is the love guru.

     Those that He helped are those who had faith in Him according to His word.  Those people came to Him and cried out to Him.  In His presence is fullness of joy.  If you don't really want Him, Jesus won't bother you.  There will be many virgins but only those who are prepared, standing on the rock go to meet Him.  He will give you what you want and you will get your reward.

     Sorry people, there will always be just one Lord Jesus Christ and one way into heaven.  That's by the gospel the apostles preached.  The social gospel will not save you or your kids.  Many say that people from all walks of life will go to heaven, with or without Jesus Christ.  Just be nice.  Just be sincere.  People, it's a narrow road that leads to life, and few there be that find it.

Mar 6, 2011 10:48 AM magnethead magnethead    says in response to Dawn S.:

Hello Fellow Christians,

 

      I think that our society is brainwashed by political correctness.  We as Christians shouldn't look to societal beliefs as our guidance for how to live.  We all want to be accepted and to obtain that acceptance in American society we play the game of moral reletavism.  Jesus did hate the sin and love the sinner a fact that you will hear repeated frequently in modern Christian culture.  However as some of the more accurate posts point out in their commentary Jesus NEVER condoned sin and was very quick to correct it.  We as a society of Christians are so desperate to find a way to stand on the truth and yet be accepted as loving by secular society that we are willing to compromise the word of God so that we can be accepted!  Jesus clearly said that he didn't come to change the word of God but to fulfill it.

      God disciplines the ones that he loves.  Christians ( I know that I am guilty too) need to stop embracing secular theology just so they can be accepted by this ungodly generation.  I agree that we as a church haven't done as much as we should and that is a big part of why we have many of the problems that we do in our society.  However when you have done what you can reasonably in your church, school and government then you are done. We are not little Gods able to control and manipulate what is happening in the world around us. We must be accepting of our own limitations and look to God to help us live in this fallen world.   Jesus, although reaching out daily to the lost clearly told us that there are many that will choose the path of destruction.  You Christian can not contrlol all of the bad choices that others make.  Some will choose death and others will choose life.  We are the sowers of the seed  but we do not harvest. 

      There is no doubt that what we are seeing in this story is the beginnings of Babylon.  The world government system that will wear down the saints.  If you have taken the time to read about what is happening in the world you should know this.  In Europe pastors are imprisoned for any speech not deemed politically correct especially if it is condemning the gay lifestyle.  I have compassion for people that are trapped in a lifestyle that is rebellious whether it be addiction to drugs or overeating.  However the homosexual agenda is extremely destructive to society. This is a society that is in active rebellion against Gods plan for the family. It is one thing to try and help people that have been hurt by homosexuality but to embrace homosexuality the way that secular society and some in the church have is not biblical. The Father did not go out to the Prodigal and say you are still wallowing in the pig food but I still accept your lifestyle choice.  The Father waited hopefully and when the prodigal had seen the error of his sinful behavior the father responded with unwarranted excessive grace and forgiveness.  I think that Paul gave us the model for dealing with anyone that has been hurt by sin.  If the person has seen the pain that their behavior is causing them and wants to choose a path of forgiveness then we should comfort them and embrace them.  However if that person chooses the path of continued rebellion the the church has no choice but to allow them to live with that choice and all of its consequences.  The church should continue to reach out in love and not be judgemental however in many respects the church accepted the lie that homosexuality is just another "lifestyle" equivalent to heterosexual marriage.  How is the church helping the homosexual community by affirming their homosexuality.  This kind of behavior is equivalent to a doctor telling a patient that smoking is good for them.  The very institution put on this earth by God to help people understand that Gods way is the only way is failing them by playing the game of political correctness.

Mar 7, 2011 8:01 AM Guest Huey N.  says in response to Pam:

All due respect, not allowing pork in ones home is in no way religious extremism.  Should vegans now not be allowed to adopt?

 

I agree with John B in that we are to welcome and accept everyone.  However we are to set standards in our home.  Children are to be loved and accepted unconditionally but that does not mean anything goes.  A child who comes into a Christian home who believes they are gay needs to be accepted yet understand that that is not God's best for them.

 

If the folks Christian or otherwise don't have it all together, then I pray to God that He lead the child to better place.

 

When the church is as relativistic as the society around it, it loses its power and it loses its relevance.  Certain things like your moral values you just don't compromise.

Mar 7, 2011 7:29 AM Guest Huey  says in response to Michelle:

The Johns are not homophobes.  I don't see where any fear is involved at all.  Fact is homosexuality goes against nature and against their beliefs.  It is a sin just like lying, murdering and stealing.  Period.

 

It's a sad day when loving, normal families are denied the right to adopt.

Mar 7, 2011 8:00 AM Guest Huey  says in response to magnethead:
To Magnethead - Good Word.
Mar 7, 2011 5:08 PM Guest Wade  says in response to sherie:
Sherie its interesting what you pointed out about the lack of Muslim scrutiny. I also look forward to the day of my Saviors return for His bride; except there is always one more that needs salvation.  One day the world will get exactly what it has always wanted and strived for - an Earth without Christians!
Mar 7, 2011 7:38 PM Guest Eddie  says in response to Jon B:
Jon B right on.You have hit the nail on the head.Jesus was more about helping people whatever their need.I know it is hard for Christians sometimes to compromise their principals, we love the sinner,we don't have to condone the sin.I too have "homosexuals" in my family.I don't condone it,but I don't love them any less. I rather show them God's unconditional love & just maybe He will do any changing that they might need. I have seen first hand the changing power of Christ.That is what we as Christians need to be conveying to a society that seems to have lost its bearings.I truly believe He is the ONLY HOPE for this world. 
Mar 8, 2011 1:50 PM Guest sue  says in response to sherie:

Adding to what sherie said about Sodom and Gomorrah, Jesus said they would have repented if the gospel had been preached there. Unless this nation changes its course we will become like Sodom and Gomorroah, except that judgment will be more tolerable for them.

Mar 8, 2011 5:34 PM Guest Dana  says in response to Jon B:

I believe as Christians we are to take in any child as long as they are willing to live by the guidelines we give them. Which would be to obstain from any ungodly lifestyle,such as: pre marital sex, a homosexual lifestyle, doing drugs, getting drunk, etc. Those children that would not prefer a home with such guidelines should not be considered as a match to such a family. It is that simple. That is why there is a matching process that you go through to make sure each child is carefully put into a home that matches their needs and desires for a family.  We have adopted two children through the foster care system.  We were matched successfully !  They desired a home like ours and are adapting wonderfully! You will most likely find that God will miraclously have only one response to your 50 inquiries to adopt a particular child/children.  That was the case with both our adoptions. So, be faithful to fulfill the command to minister to the fatherless , He will show you which child you are to adopt.

Mar 8, 2011 6:22 PM Guest Danielle  says in response to Steve:

Sorry. As an African American, I have to disagree. There is a big difference between the colour of my skin (can't do anything about that without surgery or medication) and my sexual choices (desires may linger, but they don't determine my behavior). I would have decided to live a bisexual lifestyle if I hadn't decided to live by my Christian standards. Now I'm single, celebate and happy.

 

The Johns also chose to live a Christian life. I don't condemn them for it. If gays and transsexuals can raise children with the belief that all forms of sexuality are accepted, why not the Johns with theirs that all forms are not?

 

The point is, an action was being denied in the home. Not a genetic trait. They weren't saying they wouldn't accept kids with homosexual tendencies, only that they wouldn't accept homosexuality. Kind of like saying "No underage drinking in this house." Once the kids were out, who's to say they couldn;t choose for themselves later?

Mar 9, 2011 10:32 AM Guest Allen  says in response to Jere:

Please don't confuse hate with having and applying moral standards. There is no Biblical reference for justification of racism of any kind. Tolerance is a high virtue, but being forced to celebrate or propogate what someone believes to be sin is a far different matter. That's why Christians have been and continue to be the most persecuted people in the world.

Mar 9, 2011 3:22 PM Guest Gayl D.  says in response to Jere:
You misunderstand the whole Christian concept. We do not "hate". God does not "hate" people. He does hate sin and He says homosexuality is an abomination. Racisim is getting way off the subject. God-fearing (reverence, not fear per se) people believe the Word of God. We cannot, in good concience teach children that homosexuality is okay when The God of the Universe hates it - the sin- not the people. What about children going to school and introducing their parents - this is my dad and dad, or, this is my mom and mom, when most of the other kids have a dad and a mom - talk about confusion. No one is talking hate anyway. Romans chapter 1 will tell you all you need to know about homosexuality and what God thinks about it.
Mar 10, 2011 9:05 AM Guest Gayl D.  says in response to sherie:
What Sherie says is kinda funny if it wasn't so sad. I agree with her. Seems like America has become really close to being a Sodom and Gamorrah, except there are many more Christians and I hope we are all praying for our country and it's leaders.
Mar 11, 2011 9:02 AM Guest Shay H.  says:

The UK has over 100 Sharia courts.  Islam says Kill homosexuals.  Are any foster parents Muslim?  What about all the other religions?

Mar 12, 2011 3:34 PM Guest Carol  says in response to Eric:
In Isaiah 5:20-21  Woe to those who call evil good & good evil, who put darkness for light & light for darkness who put bitter for sweet & sweet for bitter.  Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes ane clever in their own sight.  By forcing people to teach what is contrary to what the Word says we are calling evil good and are calling their good beliefs evil.  Those who are calling the Johns's beliefs evil are trying to justify their own perverted agenda.  How Sad!
Mar 13, 2011 10:06 PM Guest Terri  says in response to Jere:
Jere, just because someone can read the Bible and knows that God does not approve of homosexuality, does not mean they hate people who are gay.  I have told many people that we ALL sin.  Some sins are just more obvious to outsiders than others.  A choice to follow a homosexual lifestyle may be more visible to others than covetousness for example.  EVERYONE sins.  Just because I believe sin is sin, doesn't mean I hate homosexuals.
Jun 24, 2011 9:45 AM Guest Mark  says:

Wow, unbelievable that all these liberal "Christians" think that Jesus just tiptoed through the proverbial tulips spreading sunshine and cheer. Truth is Jesus said some pretty harsh things and not just to the religious community. Its true that Jesus didn’t come to judge the world but he made some seriously moral statement that didn’t sit easy with the majority. To those "Christians" that say bigotry against sin is a bad thing; you might want to try reading the bible instead of listening to glib statements that you think sums up scripture. Did Jesus eat with unrepented sinners? Yes. Where they his close friends? No. Or 2 Corinthians 6:14 “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” Is that bigoted? How about Proverbs 22:6 “Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it.” Is that too judgmental? How about James 4:4 “You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.” I don’t think that fits in to the Christian secular humanistic left wing philosophy, does it? I just wonder how many will take the mark of the beast when it comes because its the "in" thing to do and some lie from the pit of hell said that Jesus loves all the people with the mark of the beast and would never throw them in hell. Revelation 14:11 “And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.”

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