Interesting.
I have been a foster parent for 5.5 years (approx. 35 children) and am currently going thru the adoption application process.
Many of the questions were regarding my Christian views and what I thought about homosexual relationships etc..
Some of the questions were poses to almost want me to agree with allowing a minor to express themselves sexually IN MY HOME.
I told them that, gay or straight, I will not tolerate or incourage that activity under my roof. Once the child is 18 and out of my house (and paying their own way in life) they can make their own decisions.
It will be interested whether I hear anything else regarding my views.
Susan
I work as a Foster parent Case manager. I am very concerned about news events like this because it can become a reality very soon. However, what I run into are parents who claim to be Christian but refuse to care for kids who don't follow their morals. Some homes won't take kids who are sexually active, some won't take kids who have same-sex attraction, and on-and-on down to color of their skin. It is a very sad place when Foster Parents who claim to love Christ and Follow the bible, refuse to care for children in need of care because of those beliefs. This problem is a two-way street. Christians world wide need to step up and take care of the orphans (as mentioned in the beginning of this article) and they also need to be open to caring for Children who need help in every area of life, even if it doesn't match up to our biblical world view. Jesus didn't come to help those who agreed with him, he helped those who needed him. Christians should do the same.
As for courts ruling that Christian homes aren't appropriate, I truly hope we can prove them wrong.
There are kind people and there are mean people whether they claim to be a christian or if they are an athiest or whatever... I think that regardless of belief, some children are going to wind up in homes where they are cared for and some will go through a tough time. When it comes to prejudice about christian views and tolerance for non-christian views, that is obviously up side down. If a child is lying constantly or stealing how would an atheist handle it and how would a christian handle it? There are all different types of parents regardless of religion and they handle things in different ways. As a christian, if I were to adopt a child and felt he was doing something immoral according to my beliefs then I would definately talk to him about it and pray for him an try to help him. On the other hand, if someone is not a christian and they believe live and let live, they may teach a child that they should be more open to activities that I would find offensive. So it is definately bothersome to me, that it seems that christains are being penalized for their beliefs, but those with a more secular attitude are given more of a free reign.
I agree with Jon, religious extremism, whether christian, or otherwise, can be a dangerous place for a child. recently there was a muslim family applying to do foster care that were rejected because they would not allow pork in their home, it goes against their beliefs, and the agency rejected them, saying if a child came from a home that ate pork, they could feel rejected by that belief. I have no problem with a foster parent saying that a child may not be sexually active in their home, but to knowingly subject a child that may be homosexual or may love someone that is, to live in a home where they will be reviled could certainly be a bad thing for them. Christians are supposed to love...love everyone, not just the people that agree with their beliefs. Some of those "Christian" homes are certainly not appropriate. I would love for the real Christians, the ones that love without judgement, to rise up and show that we are not like the nuts of the world.
I have to wonder how long the UK's ban will last. It seems that by requiring people to reflect a positive attituted toward homosexuality the pool of applicants will be significantly depleted. From what I have read, the majority of people - regardless of faith - do not view homosexuality as a positive thing. This may be a slim majority, but it is a majority. By eliminating these people from possible applicants, they are increasing the trouble they already have in finding decent homes for kids who desperately need it.
Jon B.'s comment just breaks my heart. I am so very sad to hear that believers continue to reject children because they have not been taught to have more respect for their bodies by obstaining from sex. Who knows how many lives could be turned around if Christians would leave the judging to God and simply meet the needs of those around them.
A Christian should be able to wholeheartedly love and accept a child in a parenting role, who may be sinning or living an unbiblical life in a variety of ways. However, the parent, as a Christian, has a duty to teach the entire Biblical content to that child. Jesus told the woman who was to be stoned, "Where are your accusers?.. Go and sin no more". Jesus cared about her more than anyone else, BUT he also told her to stop what she was doing that was wrong!!
Jon,
You do also have to be careful about whom you let into your home, especially if you have children still in your home. Kids that you are mentioning can be very disruptive to a family and could cause harm to your own home. So if the family taking kids has children and they want to foster, they have to know their own limitations and weigh the risks to their own family. You have to have an extremely strong family to deal with kids you are mentioning as well as an excess of time you are willing to invest in the kids. Christians aren't sinless. Would you rather not have those families help out at all?
Jesus did not mince words when he met a person living in a sinful way - He said "Go and sin no more." He definitely had harsh words for hypocrites, but he never condoned sin. He loved the sinner but hated sin as all believers should. Foster parents must be able to raise their children with boundaries that keep children safe. Sex outside of marriage is never safe emotionally or physically. We must be free to confront sin/hurtful behaviors in our foster or biological children with love and humility.
This is really sad to see...But this just show how the enemy is at work and that all the signs prophesied in the Bible is coming to light...2 Timothy 3:1-3 "Men shall be lovers of themselves...despisers of what is good..." As Christians we need to continue to pray without ceasing...pray that ' no weapons formed against them shall prosper..."
A true Christian loves the sinner, but hate the sin...Jesus hates sin because it is hurting us...We as Christians have to live right without condemning or judging...Too many people are religious but do not live right...that is a difference between living a Christian lifestyle and claiming to be a Christian.
Not to diminish the importance of this issue. But, that's no the whole story. These rulings aren't just targeted at whether or not to teach homosexuality. There have been several "bizarre" rulings in the UK on a variety of positions. Another ruling against an adoptee was that the father believed in spanking his kids if they swear. The court equated that to corporal punishment and refused. In reality, it is legal for parents to use reasonable punishment on their kids. As for the homosexuality ruling, the court was forced to stand down after a public outcry.
Yeah, I have never thought about it!? At one point in our marriage we were looking to adopt and it never dawned on me until having read some of the comments, that the child we adopted might have some real serious behaviour issues, or even same sex attraction. There was a case here in my town where the adopted son murdered the daughter of his adoptive parents. Tell me who the heck wants that time bomb!?! Oh man, how would I handle that? Not very well. I don't think I can do it. I have a hard time with my own kids, let alone dealing with children who have gone thru who knows what. Thank the Lord that He has raised up christians who are can do this.
The part that bothers me is that this viewpoint is extremely one-sided. Everyone (especially Christians who are singled out in this case) are supposed to be tolerant and supportive of beliefs like homo-sexuality and sex outside the institution on marriage whereas individuals who support those beliefs do not have to be tolerant of our Biblical beliefs in return.
It's too bad that Christians or those who share these specific Biblical beliefs are the non-vocal majority. What we need is a more dynamic way to allow this majority to express their views or some way to encourage these individuals to step out and be vocal about what they believe. The longer aren't vocal about this the less of a majority we will have as these views that are contrary to our beliefs will continue to perminate the culture and just become accepted beliefs in the younger generations.
I would go so far to say that it is happening already...
Christ Himself was an "extremist" when He said that He was the Only Way. That being said, Christ loved people and died for them while they were yet sinners. If the question is whether a child who has homosexual tendencies should be loved and not reviled...the answer is YES. If the question is whether the foster or adoptive or natural parents of that child should try to lead him/her to Christ and should identify homosexual activity as sin in the same way they identify lying as sin or heterosexual sex before marriage as sin...the answer is YES. Is it "judging" to correctly call sin..sin? Is it loving to ignore any person's need for the redemptive grace of Christ to cover all of their sins....the answer is NO. It may be non-confrontational to accept all views and ignore sin but it isn't loving. Finally, should a Christian home be open to an orphan who is confused about who he/she is and who feels unloved....the answer is YES. After all, it is only in Christ that we can truly understand who He, as our creator, made us to be.
It is foolish for any government to turn away from morality and a government sets itself up for destruction when it willfully fights against morals laid down by God. I have pity on our leaders and citizens who have exchanged the truth for a lie. As a future public administrator, I hope that I can still help to build strong communities and families after I complete my masters or if I would be handicapped to promoting agendas of special interests over God-ordained morality.
Our nation needs revival-flat out. We will not survive on this path we are currently on. Pray fervently for your neighbors that they would know the love and transforming power of a relationship with Christ and tell them about your faith. The way we rebuild this nation is one family at a time-let's minister to our neighbors and pray for revival. God will save the day if we ask Him and let Him. When revival comes and people transform from the inside out because of a relationship with Christ, many of the things that trouble us currently will soon wither away.
Watch and pray as you love God and love others for our battle is not against flesh and blood but is waged in the spiritual realm.
Your brother in Christ-
Jonathan
I don't know why people are so surprised, but the same scenario has already happened in Massachusetts a couple of years ago when a Christian couple were denied as foster parents because of their Christian beliefs. No one should be astonished any more when things of this nature happen these days. It is a sign of the time in which we are living when everything immoral and indecent rules. We should just be on our guards.
Intresting that they only stand against Christians, because Muslums don't believe homosexuality is exceptable either yet no one says a word about that!
I think there's a popular saying that if God doesn't intervine soon he will have to appolagize to Sodom and Gamorah!
I just have to believe He will step in soon......
Jon, the Christian parental requirements probably didn't have anything to their religious beliefs. Probably, the requirements were what the parents thought they could handle. Not every Christian is built to handle every kind of temperment perfectly.
This may not be the best example, but we recently decided to adopt a dog. We got a Jack Russell terrier. This dog was horrible! He whined at night, stealth-pooped when he could, and ran circles around my son, yipping at his heels. With 3 kids in the house already, we couldn't handle this dog. And keep our sanity.
The rescue organization that we got the Jack Russell terrier from has a policy in which you can return any dog, up to 2 weeks later, if the dog is not a good fit for your family. We returned the dog. We definitely wanted a dog. We definitely did not want that dog.
We've since adopted 2 dachshunds, one from a rescue organization, and one straight from the county shelter. These family dogs are wonderful for everyone. Such sweet dogs! We love them so much!
What I learned on a small scale with dogs, I'm sure is true on a much larger scale when adopting a child: temperment counts. All kids aren't the same.
My guess is, the families who were "picky" were just aware of what they could and could not handle. Better to be upfront about their own limitations.
Amen to what Marty said! That is right on, grounded firmly in a thorough and consistent understanding of the New Testament.
How we put that into practice in this day and age is tricky -- what is frowned on by the government and politically correct agencies around the world is precisely the declaration that you hate the sin... "How dare you tell me what sin is! You are judging me if you do that!". Ah, but what we learn from the passage Marty referred to (John 8:1-11) is that "judgment" in Biblical language meant "the carrying out of judgment", in other words what we would call "sentencing" today. We are exhorted "not to judge" others, in other words to not condemn. "Judgment" , condemnation, and sentencing all went hand in hand in those days, and could mean just as easily "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" as a stoning. It is in this sense that we are exhorted to leave the "judging" up to God! It does not mean that we park our brains at the door, don't do any discerning of our own, that truth is all relative, or that we should refrain from speaking into the world around us. None of those responses is grounded in Christ's teaching or example.
So how do you "love the sinner" and "hate the sin", if it is your own flesh and blood or an adopted child, in the context of this world that wants no moral absolutes, no definition of sin... it becomes practically impossible. The woman in the above passage did not reject Jesus' assertion that she had been sinning -- she was grateful not to have been stoned -- we intuit that she was grateful for the pardon! But today, the story might end differently, with the woman sueing for defamation or bigotry or whatever it might be called.
Let us not forget that in Jesus' day, it wasn't all that different. Though He never sinned, though He never did anything wrong to anyone, the powers of that age (Pharisees, scribes, rulers) simply could not tolerate that He spoke the truth -- when he told them that they were "whitewashed tombs", that they were holding up a worthless, false exterior of righteousness, while they were full of sin on the inside. The Jewish establishment killed Jesus for it, and John the Baptist lost his head because he told Herod that he shouldn't have slept with Herodias, his brother Philip's wife...
While the new testament writers progressively dismantle the Jewish ritual / traditional restrictions regarding food, dress and other cultural customs, ALL the NT authors uphold the same definition of sexual morality. They all draw on the Genesis account of God's creation of "male and female" for each other, upholding the union of a man and woman as the basic family unit, repeatedly using marital faithfulness as a measuring stick or metaphor for faithfulness in other areas of life. All of the writers attest that Jesus throws out every element of the Jewish ritual law while upholding and EXPANDING (Matt. 5) the moral law, which we understand as being the framework of truth, the basis on which we are to love and interact with others. Sexual morality is retained as part of moral law by ALL of the New Testament writers, from which we understand that it was not merely Jewish ritual tradition.
But without a common belief in the existence of sin, with no common definition of what sin is, the Christian faith will indeed seem to be incompatible with this society -- not only with regards to foster homes or adoption -- and if the majority indeed no longer believes in Jesus or the moral values he and his disciples upheld, it will be very difficult for us to get along.
To follow the Messiah, the only Son of God, we are called upon to seek Love, Faith, Truth, and Righteousness, all things which the relativists and materialists say don't really exist... so why are we surprised?
Good Lord Have Mercy....can't judge....depends on the 'context'
if marriage is linked to reproduction, and obvs. there's no such thing as 'homosexual reproduction', then yeah, 'gay marraige' is no good
*however* this idea in and of itself can't lead people to discriminate against these folks in ways such as bullying, hate, crime, etc. They're people too. Homosexual orientation is not always 'chosen', it may be a consequence of trauma, genetics, biology/hormones, etc., and to some extent may be 'addressed', but is not something to be 'stifled' or 'masked' or 'corrected' if not *acted on* wrongly (i.e. via sodomy, elicit sexual activity, etc.) *but* not all people who are 'homosexual' do those sorts of things. nor is it a 'pride' thing, 'pride's' no good too (ref. Gospel/Christ, prov., etc. thanks be to GOD)....and we must remember 'heterosexual 'sin'' is 'equivalent' perhaps, it's not just a 'gay discrimination thing'
And 'society' God Willing perhaps shouldn't be so quick to generally call a domestic or crafty or artsy guy or a 'tomboyish' girl gay ....these stereotypes cause even more 'confusion' and issues Lord Have Mercy....sex and marriage are *reproductive gifts* to all 'Called to' such God Willing, and not all are necessarily (ref. gen.1, mt.19, thanks be to GOD). Also, 'close friendships' such as that of David and Jonathan Biblically, that almost seem 'romantic' and 'non-sexually intimate' may God Willing *not* be 'gay-lationships' for real, but if such 'appeared' in the world God Forgive, it may be perceived as such. so let's not 'judge' folks doin' 'the right things' and being unto The LORD.
homosexual orientation is not a sin any more than perhaps genetic 'predisposition' to alcoholism is, however acting on it wrongly or abandoning faith/God's Word for it is a different thing altogether!
I think the gov't should be outside of marriage, it's a church/religious/God-Vocated institution God Willing. health care proxy, housing forms, emergency decisions, etc. should not rely on gender or sexuality or marital status. 'Tax breaks' or financial benefits should be 'kept in reserve' perhaps only for couples once they have a child or children, and not just 'spread upon' all married couples under the assumption that they will. God Willing, those called to such will. That being said, the additional money if there be any should *go* into the foster system, for single parents by widowing or 'divorce' Lord Have Mercy or just maybe 'single folk' who adopt. It's not a matter of 'sexual orientation', action and words do matter though, and what we teach our kids does too (ref. provs. thanks be to GOD)
I guess it depends what exactly these folks said, if they'd raised 15+ kids, I'd hope the attitude wasn't one of 'hate'. But Lord and the court and these people only know what was said. But by 'all means' if the attitude wasn't one of hate or calling for 'discrimination' against such people but simply being 'opposed' to 'gay marriage' that's a different thing all together and not a 'threatening' position. if they say 'gays should/do burn in hell' simply for being gay, then, God Forgive, hey that's not up to us, we don't know what every 'gay' person does or how they act. it's a problem in a society that perceives sex as a 'right' or 'need' and not a God-Given, meaningful 'Calling'
thanks y'all n thanks be to GOD PLGB
I want to point out that it is possible (and very common) to be both a Christian and accepting of homosexuality. As one of those people, I don't like to be lumped in with the closed-minded Christians of today.
You folks getting all worked up with your holier-than-thou judgment on families that have criteria for who they'll take need to take a breath and get over yourselves. Most of you have no clue whatsoever about their circumstances and decision process. You want to quote Jesus - well, you better watch out for that log in your eye!
How about being thankful that a family will take in any kid, which is something the vast majority of Christians wouldn't even consider!
In response to Jon B......I hope the (Christian) people you are talking about in regards to accepting or not accepting children who are sexually active, are parents themselves already and are only stipulating these boundaries as ways to protect children already in their care. I know I would be extremely careful as to what children I would allow into my home when I have minors already in my care. I know what you're saying about it being a two way street, but we also need to practise wisdom. It is very sad though to hear you say that people still worry about the colour of skin.
I am in Australia and my husband and I have been through the very gruelling process of wanting to become adoptive parents.........it's unbelievable how invasive the process is. Unfortunately (and heartbreakingly) for us, we were denied on the grounds of my husbands parents not being accepting or supportive of the idea. Even though we wanted to do what James encourages us to do, it didn't work out that way for us. I would like to encourage other loving families in America to give it a go while it's still possible.
Pam,
Don't confuse love with accepting unhealthy behaviour. Just because the parent doesn't agree with the homosexual behaviour and has rules against such behaviour doesn't mean that the parent can't love them at the same time. Just as any responsible parent is going to discourage their child for using illegal drugs--and should even punish them to discourage this; but we wouldn't say that the parent doesn't love the child because they don't love the child's drug use!
Sounds like a few commenters need to giver their heads a shake and realize that (a) sinful behavious need to be discouraged by parents and (b) doing so has nothing to do with loving or not loving the children who exhibit those behaviours.
I am a christian and a foster parent, and i couldn't agree more with what you said.
Jesus " ate with sinners" I would take any child, and just love on them.
Actually this did have to do with their religious beliefs. It also has to do with the UN's Convention on the Rights of A Child, a treaty which we need to do everything in our power from being signed by the U.S. Government. You can read more about the story:http://www.christianconcern.com/our-concerns/religious-freedom/breaking-news-high-court-judgment-suggests-christian-beliefs-harmful-
And more about the United Nation's Convention on the Rights of A Child, and the Parental Rights Amendment: http://parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={0FB2F54F-D6F7-45CA-BBC3-17C59D290DE9}&
A truly loving Christian would warn a homosexual foster child of the long term damage of his choice. This damage is spelled out in a secular UK study on homosexuality published in Health 24:
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My husband and I became foster parents 5 years ago in the hope of adopting a child into our family. We went through the classes that we are required to take to become foster parents and as God would have it, some of the other couples taking the classes at the time were homosexuals (two men and two women). Though it was incredibly uncomfortable, the experience reinforced one of the reasons we got involved. Because if we as Christians do not take care of the orphans (James 2) then who will? I am convinced that foster parenting is a calling. Children need a healthy home to not only thrive but also heal. Heal from the heartache as well as the trauma that has been inflicted on them at such an early age.
At our 2nd year inspection, our resource manager came with some new papers that we had to fill out. A questionaire. I was taken aback when I started reading the questions. All the questions pertained to our beliefs concerning homosexuality. We asked why this was being given now and what would happen if we didn't fill it out. She said it was a new and that it would be a part of the home studies from now on.... That it may hinder our chances of adopting through the state if we didn't fill it out. Fear gripped me at first as I was afraid that we would loose the chance to adopt if we didn't answer the questionnaire. Though also what would happen if we answered the questions based on our faith/moral values. We were truthful and she just put the paper in our file. I am assuming it is still there - it never hindered the path for the children that God wanted us to foster.
The next advancement for homosexuality in the fostering system has come through courses we have to taken every 3 years. We are required to take 21 hours of classes to keep our license. One of the classes had to do with homosexuality. While we are not required to take that class specifically I choose to take it because I wanted to see what the person who wrote the class had to say. I was STUNNED!!! It was written from the perspectative of an advocate for homosexuality - completely. There was no other view presented except theirs and that included us being termed homophobic because we did not believe the way the class instructor believed. It was totally about what they believed was right and if you believed any other way you were wrong.
We continue to foster and now 5 years later are in the trial period of a possible adoption - it's a boy!!! A teenage boy - God sure has a different agenda then we do. I wanted a girl!!
Anyway.... what has occurred in the UK is devastating. A real sadness and disbelief. We should not be told by our government or the courts how to parent!! I tell our children that God loves everyone!! EVERYONE!! Though He has given us a book called the Holy Bible and in this book are the answers to how to live life - His way. One is to stay away from sexual sin. Whether it be adultery, fornication or homosexuality - sexual sin is sexual sin. Just like sin is sin. What the courts has decided will be what they will have to answer to almighty God someday. And what this couple and the many more couples who will go through this trial will be responsible for is the answers of what they taught to be God's Truth. At this point I believe it is most important that they honor God and trust God with the direction that this is going. May God have mercy on the souls that prevent the little children from knowing/going to Him.
I applaud the John's for standing up for Biblical principles. I know it hurts them not to be able to be foster parents because of that ridiculous law, but God will reward them for standing for what is right. It seems this world is turning more and more against God and the principles He lays out for us in His Word The Holy Bible. It just tells me that Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is soon to rapture the church, and those who don't know Jesus as Savior and Lord had better heed the warniing and trust and except Him now before it is eternally to late. We as believer need to continue to take a stand for the Truth without compromise. There is no room for compromise in the Kingdom of God.
We have fostered a girl who is now grown and a practicing homosexual, along with other things. We constantly tell her how much we love her and want her to be a part of the family, but I am very clear to her that the things she does are not acceptable to us. First the unconditional love, then the clarity.
God showed me recently that the love I have for her is not mine, but His. He is persuing her through me b/c she runs away from Him at every turn. The shepherd is seeking His lost lamb - and that is how I would describe her. So many of these kids have been abused in such atrocious ways, how skewed is their understanding of sexuality? And the media and the pressure for tolerance, etc. adding to the confusion. Each kid is different, but we should be approaching them with healing and God's love. The more my foster daughter finds and trusts our acceptance and love, the more I share with her about how I feel about her behaviors and choices. In fact, I shared with her what God told me about the His love for her and she thought that was cool.
Our job is to Love The Lord Your God with ALL Your Heart and Soul and Mind - that is the greatest commandment. Not tolerance - in many cases you cannot do both. Our living Christian martyrs in Muslim lands know that His love really is stronger than anything that might come against it. Understanding the kind of love that martyrs have even for their enemies - that is the love we need to have for our foster/adopt children and even those CPS workers. Fearless Love.
Homosexuals have an agenda. They push for a lower and lower sexual consent age and now this. It doesn't take much imagination to guess why. We must have Fearless Love and much prayer and communication with the One who gives it - for this is His battle, not ours, though we are warriors in it. Russel D. Moore talks about how adoption IS spiritual battle.
What of the CHILD who does not agree with homosexuality or pre-marital sex? Some children REQUEST to be placed in a Christian home. Is it fair to place them in a home that will make them feel like bigots? In a home that is intolerant of THEIR values? Maybe governments think this scenerio is okay because the child needs to be reformed.
Where will this lead? Today, we must approve of homosexuality and sex outside of marriage. Tomorrow, we may be considered intolerant if we reject the notions of lying, stealing, or adult-child sex. Who decides?
I have gay and pro-gay family members. I love them. I have alcoholic and drug-addicted friends. I love them. But I don't PROMOTE or EMBRACE their values, just as they do not PROMOTE or EMBRACE mine.
One thing we need to remember is that if we are stepping up (in masses) as Christians and meeting the needs of children in care ... the government agencies notice. They are so used to having people from churches come in and want to do a "diaper" drive or something and then they never hear from them again. It is about buiding relationships and truly making a difference. In our county here in Minnesota, it has taken about three years, but our church is finally being seen as one that "cares" because we haven't taken off. Christians need to realize that we are called to step up and do something. Even when it is hard, and even when the courts may tell us eventually that they won't place kids with us, even when it takes years to make a difference. I live in a very liberal state, but I have also seen hearts changed when people actually follow through consistently in helping these kids. Quite frankly, as a whole, I don't believe Christians are truly doing what we could be to make a difference. The Christian Church is really the only "organized" entity that is large enough to make a difference, which is why Focus on the Family's Wait No More campaign has been successful. We must not "worry" about what the courts are going to do, and stand up and love as Christ would love, keep to our convictions and pray for the needs of our country! And we must do this even when it is hard and we don't feel they support us.
I agree with what you, Pam and Jon are saying but I think you are missing the point here. These people are Christians and are trying to do the right thing by taking care of the "orphans." But, because they do not agree with homosexuality, they are being told they can't be foster parents or adopt. No where in the Bible does it say that we are to accept a sinful behavior - reprove each other, brothers. Several times Jesus told people to "Go and Sin no more." We are to help these children understand what is true and what isn't. Yes, above all things we are to love, but to truly love a child we should guide him/her to seek Christ and be more like Him in everything we do (or don't do!). After all, isn't one's salvation THE most important issue here?
Am I to take it that each of you would sign a document saying that you will willingly accept and teach all forms of sexuality? Are you going to sign it and then lie? How can you be faithful to God and your faith by openly accepting homosexuality - that which God clearly told us was wrong and even deplorable (His words, not mine)? Yes, Jesus taught us to love everyone, but He also taught us to not be hipocrits. (Whipping the money changers in God's home). Standing up for righteousness is never wrong and these people are being prevented from sharing their love because of not agreeing with this world's view. "Christians" need to be careful that they are not being slowly deceived by this view, as well! Love others, yes; but NEVER stop standing up for what is RIGHT in God's eyes.
I have learned through experience that the moral truths God's given us are key to living a fulfilling life. I have five children, I teach them that homosexuality isn't what God has intended for them, neither is divorce, sex outside of marriage, or abortion. If my children don't follow these moral standards, they will understand for themselves the trouble that comes with the choice they have made, and their relationship with God will suffer. The decisions they make will never take away from the love that I have for them. We are told to love each other unconditionally, we do. We love them more by not accepting the world's ideals over our Father's truths. By passing along the words of our Father to our children, and holding them to a high standard of obedience, we give them the chance at the fulfilling life that God has promised them. That is parenting, not bigotry. Faith is not a hobby, God is not a fleeting idea, Truth is not debatible, not for true believers. Stop discounting God's teachings as though they were guidelines meant to be followed only when it's socially acceptable, and don't refer to your Christian brothers and sisters as "the nuts of the world".
Those who are thinking about adoption and foster parenting should consider the potential impacts to any birth children they may have living in the home. We have two birth children who we raised in the Lord, and four years ago we adopted a sibling group. For years we have experienced violence, lying, theft, false accusations against the family that have resulted in three visits from the police, drug use, etc. All of this has adversely impacted our birth children. We have no regrets and we see the good the Lord has done even through difficult circumstances. However, I can understand why some families won't accept children with certain challenges, and why some won't bend on the standards for their home. If we didn't have our birth children in the home, we might be willing to tolerate more. We can't have one set of standards for the birth children and another for the adopted children.
Hello Denise.
I am in Washington state.
The foster care experience has been wonderful for the most part. It is one of the most rewarding things I have ever done.
Say "bye" to society as it swirls down the toliet. The thing is, there isn't much that can be done. We can only share God with others, who are increasingly hostile to the concept of rules and judgement, especially where it concerns homosexuality. The new rampant attitude is "my god is whoever I want him to be; my religion is customizable," without a recognized belief in absolute truth, let alone a consideration of it. This attitude assumes that mandatory acceptance of any belief or choice is a law of the universe, and yet absolutely cannot fathom the idea that there could be a God who has set distinct rules for human living and does not want those rules to be broken. I think the theory of evolution is to blame in a big way for this. It's funny that people don't even stop to realize the inconsistencies of what they believe and the effects such beliefs will have on the future.
Let's take aethistic evolution. To believe that there is no God, that the beginning of life was a random chance. That being the case and life being merely physical, there is no such thing as order. Order would require intention, and there is no being or controlling force to have that intention. If there is no such thing as order, there no moral guidelines to which people must hold themselves. People can design their morals however they choose. Given that revelation, laws are merely contracts (agreements by the individuals of the society on certain moral guidelines) and are therefore changeable and breakable without bothering any conscience. The idea that people shouldn't hurt each other for personal gain and the concept of love are merely romantic notions, based on emotions, which result from purely physical, physiological processes. There is no hope for an after life or a better future. What could anyone possibly strive to beyond immediate material gains?? It's a truly depressing, dismal outlook on life, and it will eventually affect everything in society, especially since we teach it as a truth rather than what it is- a theory with too many holes.
Our society's sudden acceptance of homosexuality is going to affect everything- roles in heterosexual relationships, education, the acceptance of Christianity, laws concerning homeschooling and social welfare. Everything. Parents will not be allowed to raise their children in accordance with their convictions. We will basically be a communist society, still called a democratic republic, just for that warm and fuzzy feeling...
Hi Jim,
Unfortunately the evangelical view of homosexuality is discriminating. Human beings are not to be discriminated on the basis of their sex, race, creed or sexual orientation. The Johns I see are of African decent. There was a time when children were raised to discriminant against blacks. Sexual orientation is no different. Unfortunately, if the state is providing funds for an adoption agency, that agency cannot discriminat and receive state funds. That makes sense. The state does not finance discrmination. The Johns will have to choose between their creed and society's uncompromising positon on discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation. Evidentlhy they have choosen to practice their faith and discriminate against homosexuals.
Steve
Jon B. is absolutely right, and there is a simple solution. My family and I (wife and three children) partnered in therapeutic foster care (we got the kids no one else would take) for nearly two decades, and adopted one. We went through the same drilling and in depth inspection, and the concerns about "intolerance" when we first signed up. However, after a period of time of success, we were told by the director of the program she would be focusing on recruiting Christians (not one herself) as foster care parents.
We had a simple approach. We made it clear from the beginning that, as in any home with structure, certain behaviors wouldn't be permitted in our home and we wouldn't compromise, however, we understood that Jesus didn't change people through rules, but through being who He is. He didn't show love to people because of their purity (where would we all be?), but He sought out even the most difficult, and His love didn't deny choice ("I put before you life and death, choose life.") it gave reason to make the right one.
The children in our home saw our intolerance for destructive behavior, but understood the reasons why because we tried to let them see the difference for themselves. If you walk in "the spirit of the law", "the letter of the law" doesn't have to be enforced, it's chosen!" "I will write My laws upon their hearts." Jesus walked in "the spirit of the law" and used "the letter of the law" as a guide to those who would follow. God's will was made known at Mt. Sinai in the form of "the letter of the law" written in stone., but who could keep it? His will was again made known at Pentecost, but by the Spirit written on their hearts, and Mt Sinai's "law of stone" became mere staements of fact at Pentecost! ("You will not kill." etc)The world doesn't need Mt Sinai, it needs Pentecost! We have learned nothing if not this truth!
Will the love of Jesus always be received? No! But, let the reasons be those of choice, not lack of it because His love wasn't introduced. We all know the days we are living in and anti-Christian rulings will come, but if the Church fails to be the Church Jesus intends we give them excuse. Jesus intends to "reproduce" Himself through His "bride" ("Go make disciples..."). "Reproduction" requires intimacy (see Jesus prayer in John 17)! Let the world see that Christianity is not just another religion made of laws, but a relationship steeped in power for change. This is the true gospel!
There's a children's book (among other helps) posted free on the web that helps children understand the simplicity and truth of what Jesus does for us. It's titled "HUNGRY THE CATERPILLAR GETS REBORN" and can be found at: http://faithstruth.com/4.html
As my husband and I have dealt with CPS and a kinship situation where we cared for an infant (10 of the first 13 months of his life) in our own family I have learned many things.....
The reality is this: As christians, we have allowed our govt to take over MANY areas that are our responsibilty...orphans and widows as an example....and now there is very little we can do about it. Don't get me wrong, we can still do some things, but by law we are bound by so much. For decades we have allowed the govt to dictate what we can and cannot do and now that so many of our 'rights/freedoms' have been stripped we are up in arms. Why? Because we are selfish, self-centered, and fear how it will impact us, our families, our comforts, etc.. It wasn't until OUR rights were infringed upon that we decided to stand up for others...that's sad and pathetic. I am guilty.
I say too little too late. Do I quit? NO. Do I give up? NO. Do I stand up and fight for what is right...beginning where I am (my church, my schools, my community)? ABSOLUTELY.
This isn't exactly accurate - they were turned down not because they were Christian, but because it was determined that their aversion to homosexuality could negatively impact the lives of the children they wanted to foster. From what I can tell, though, they wanted to do short-term fostering (although this isn't in every article I read and it's not entirely clear).
I'm an atheist and vehemently in favor of gay rights, and don't think any child deserves to grow up in an environment that tells them that if they love someone of the same sex, that love is a sin. But in the case that the Johns really were only going to foster children short-term and weren't going to adopt them, I have to admit that this ruling does seem somewhat unfair. Hate is hate, but the Johns don't seem to be all-around hateful people, and I'm sure spending a short while with homophobes is better than being without any semblance of a family at all.
Jesus said that His word would judge us in the last day. Just like the days of Lot, just like the days of Noah. There will be and are many false prophets who deny the Lord Jesus Christ. They have a different Jesus too. This different Jesus is the love guru.
Those that He helped are those who had faith in Him according to His word. Those people came to Him and cried out to Him. In His presence is fullness of joy. If you don't really want Him, Jesus won't bother you. There will be many virgins but only those who are prepared, standing on the rock go to meet Him. He will give you what you want and you will get your reward.
Sorry people, there will always be just one Lord Jesus Christ and one way into heaven. That's by the gospel the apostles preached. The social gospel will not save you or your kids. Many say that people from all walks of life will go to heaven, with or without Jesus Christ. Just be nice. Just be sincere. People, it's a narrow road that leads to life, and few there be that find it.
Hello Fellow Christians,
I think that our society is brainwashed by political correctness. We as Christians shouldn't look to societal beliefs as our guidance for how to live. We all want to be accepted and to obtain that acceptance in American society we play the game of moral reletavism. Jesus did hate the sin and love the sinner a fact that you will hear repeated frequently in modern Christian culture. However as some of the more accurate posts point out in their commentary Jesus NEVER condoned sin and was very quick to correct it. We as a society of Christians are so desperate to find a way to stand on the truth and yet be accepted as loving by secular society that we are willing to compromise the word of God so that we can be accepted! Jesus clearly said that he didn't come to change the word of God but to fulfill it.
God disciplines the ones that he loves. Christians ( I know that I am guilty too) need to stop embracing secular theology just so they can be accepted by this ungodly generation. I agree that we as a church haven't done as much as we should and that is a big part of why we have many of the problems that we do in our society. However when you have done what you can reasonably in your church, school and government then you are done. We are not little Gods able to control and manipulate what is happening in the world around us. We must be accepting of our own limitations and look to God to help us live in this fallen world. Jesus, although reaching out daily to the lost clearly told us that there are many that will choose the path of destruction. You Christian can not contrlol all of the bad choices that others make. Some will choose death and others will choose life. We are the sowers of the seed but we do not harvest.
There is no doubt that what we are seeing in this story is the beginnings of Babylon. The world government system that will wear down the saints. If you have taken the time to read about what is happening in the world you should know this. In Europe pastors are imprisoned for any speech not deemed politically correct especially if it is condemning the gay lifestyle. I have compassion for people that are trapped in a lifestyle that is rebellious whether it be addiction to drugs or overeating. However the homosexual agenda is extremely destructive to society. This is a society that is in active rebellion against Gods plan for the family. It is one thing to try and help people that have been hurt by homosexuality but to embrace homosexuality the way that secular society and some in the church have is not biblical. The Father did not go out to the Prodigal and say you are still wallowing in the pig food but I still accept your lifestyle choice. The Father waited hopefully and when the prodigal had seen the error of his sinful behavior the father responded with unwarranted excessive grace and forgiveness. I think that Paul gave us the model for dealing with anyone that has been hurt by sin. If the person has seen the pain that their behavior is causing them and wants to choose a path of forgiveness then we should comfort them and embrace them. However if that person chooses the path of continued rebellion the the church has no choice but to allow them to live with that choice and all of its consequences. The church should continue to reach out in love and not be judgemental however in many respects the church accepted the lie that homosexuality is just another "lifestyle" equivalent to heterosexual marriage. How is the church helping the homosexual community by affirming their homosexuality. This kind of behavior is equivalent to a doctor telling a patient that smoking is good for them. The very institution put on this earth by God to help people understand that Gods way is the only way is failing them by playing the game of political correctness.
All due respect, not allowing pork in ones home is in no way religious extremism. Should vegans now not be allowed to adopt?
I agree with John B in that we are to welcome and accept everyone. However we are to set standards in our home. Children are to be loved and accepted unconditionally but that does not mean anything goes. A child who comes into a Christian home who believes they are gay needs to be accepted yet understand that that is not God's best for them.
If the folks Christian or otherwise don't have it all together, then I pray to God that He lead the child to better place.
When the church is as relativistic as the society around it, it loses its power and it loses its relevance. Certain things like your moral values you just don't compromise.
The Johns are not homophobes. I don't see where any fear is involved at all. Fact is homosexuality goes against nature and against their beliefs. It is a sin just like lying, murdering and stealing. Period.
It's a sad day when loving, normal families are denied the right to adopt.
Adding to what sherie said about Sodom and Gomorrah, Jesus said they would have repented if the gospel had been preached there. Unless this nation changes its course we will become like Sodom and Gomorroah, except that judgment will be more tolerable for them.
I believe as Christians we are to take in any child as long as they are willing to live by the guidelines we give them. Which would be to obstain from any ungodly lifestyle,such as: pre marital sex, a homosexual lifestyle, doing drugs, getting drunk, etc. Those children that would not prefer a home with such guidelines should not be considered as a match to such a family. It is that simple. That is why there is a matching process that you go through to make sure each child is carefully put into a home that matches their needs and desires for a family. We have adopted two children through the foster care system. We were matched successfully ! They desired a home like ours and are adapting wonderfully! You will most likely find that God will miraclously have only one response to your 50 inquiries to adopt a particular child/children. That was the case with both our adoptions. So, be faithful to fulfill the command to minister to the fatherless , He will show you which child you are to adopt.
Sorry. As an African American, I have to disagree. There is a big difference between the colour of my skin (can't do anything about that without surgery or medication) and my sexual choices (desires may linger, but they don't determine my behavior). I would have decided to live a bisexual lifestyle if I hadn't decided to live by my Christian standards. Now I'm single, celebate and happy.
The Johns also chose to live a Christian life. I don't condemn them for it. If gays and transsexuals can raise children with the belief that all forms of sexuality are accepted, why not the Johns with theirs that all forms are not?
The point is, an action was being denied in the home. Not a genetic trait. They weren't saying they wouldn't accept kids with homosexual tendencies, only that they wouldn't accept homosexuality. Kind of like saying "No underage drinking in this house." Once the kids were out, who's to say they couldn;t choose for themselves later?
Please don't confuse hate with having and applying moral standards. There is no Biblical reference for justification of racism of any kind. Tolerance is a high virtue, but being forced to celebrate or propogate what someone believes to be sin is a far different matter. That's why Christians have been and continue to be the most persecuted people in the world.
The UK has over 100 Sharia courts. Islam says Kill homosexuals. Are any foster parents Muslim? What about all the other religions?
Wow, unbelievable that all these liberal "Christians" think that Jesus just tiptoed through the proverbial tulips spreading sunshine and cheer. Truth is Jesus said some pretty harsh things and not just to the religious community. Its true that Jesus didn’t come to judge the world but he made some seriously moral statement that didn’t sit easy with the majority. To those "Christians" that say bigotry against sin is a bad thing; you might want to try reading the bible instead of listening to glib statements that you think sums up scripture. Did Jesus eat with unrepented sinners? Yes. Where they his close friends? No. Or 2 Corinthians 6:14 “Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?” Is that bigoted? How about Proverbs 22:6 “Train a child in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not turn from it.” Is that too judgmental? How about James 4:4 “You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.” I don’t think that fits in to the Christian secular humanistic left wing philosophy, does it? I just wonder how many will take the mark of the beast when it comes because its the "in" thing to do and some lie from the pit of hell said that Jesus loves all the people with the mark of the beast and would never throw them in hell. Revelation 14:11 “And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name.”
Unfortunately what is happening in the UK is already happening here. Not to the same extent with the courts saying that we would have to inform the child of all their lifestyle options, but the same sentiments are here. Many of the Child Protective Services offices around the nation are Anti-Christian. Well, at least in Arizona.
My wife and I know this first-hand. We got involved in the life of a young lady and her children. We even took them in for a time. And during this time, she was involved with the Family Courts in a dispute between her and the father and CPS. Because they were staying with us, we had to jump through some of the hoops that the Case Managers were pushing. Fortunately, with the assistance of her attorney, we were able to get them to back off a bit and leave us out of the situation.
Personally, I believe that before long, Christians will no longer be able to foster care for children or adopt children within our own boundaries because Christianity has some straight forward beliefs in which those that truely believe the Christian principles will not waiver. I have even heard rummblings about children even being removed from homes because the parents Christian beliefs were too rigid and did not teach that other lifestyles were acceptable.
So, as it sits, it may not be the UK yet, but I see it coming down the track and we will have to choose whether we want to be in league with those that believe in an "Anything Goes" mentality or whether you are going to stick to your Christian principles and have the children removed because we are unyeilding in our beliefs.