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Does Apple Think Christianity is Offensive?

Posted by Jim_Daly on Jan 6, 2011 5:15:41 PM

I am one of the nearly 500,000 proud signers of the Manhattan Declaration, a document and movement spearheaded by my friends Chuck Colson and Dr. Robert George. As drafted, the piece and its adherents proudly and unapologetically affirm support for the sanctity of life, traditional marriage, and religious liberty.manhattandeciapp.png

 

For the last few months, the organizers behind the Declaration have been trying to get Apple to reinstate an app for its iPhone users.  Apple had originally approved the app, but pulled it after a small but well organized group of homosexual activists voiced their objections. Minor modifications were made to help it pass Apple’s muster.

 

Just before Christmas, Apple rejected the app again, citing in a letter that the “references or commentary about a religious, cultural or ethnic group that are defamatory, offensive, mean-spirited or likely to expose the targeted group to harm or violence will be rejected.  We have evaluated the content of this application and consider its contents to be objectionable and potentially harmful to others."

 

I can assure you that the app is no more objectionable than any other existing one that includes the Bible, or other religious texts that speak to moral issues. To qualify it as offensive as compared  to other available apps strikes me strange. In fact, you might be shocked to know that though Apple has a long-standing policy against pornography, there are many sexually explicit and otherwise offensive apps currently approved for purchase. Discretion and good taste prevents me from even naming some – but several make a sport of the female anatomy. There is one called “Passion” that analyzes sexual performance based on sound, motion and duration of activity. Yet another titled, “I Am a Man” is designed to help males keep track of their girlfriend’s menstrual cycle. It even offers an option for those with multiple women.

 

Apparently, “offensive” is all in the eye of the beholder.

 

Ironically, the genesis of the Manhattan Declaration centered on a concerted effort to talk openly about mainstream Christian issues in a thoughtful and civil manner.

 

In my opinion, in rejecting this app, at best, Apple and its officials have confused or misinterpreted a central tenet of American liberty and free speech. At worst, this denial is an attack akin to intellectual bullying.

 

It is one thing to disagree with the principles found within the Manhattan Declaration. There is a tradition of respectful opposition in this country. However, when a corporation refuses to allow a discussion from even starting (which is the intent of the app) – a discussion about mainstream Christianity – Americans have reason to beware and be on guard.

 

There is something you can do. If you agree with me (do you?), please click here to obtain contact information in order to email or call Apple’s Steve Jobs and ask him to reinstate the app.

 

Please let me know how your request is received. Navigating the culture as a Christian has always been a challenge, but it’s something that we’re commanded to do in a winsome and respectful spirit.  I appreciate your consideration to help support this noble and worthy cause.

 

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Jan 11, 2011 4:55 PM Guest Richard J  says:

Jim and Chuck:  I must confess I'm on the other side of this issue with you fine gentlemen. I respect both of your organizations, but feel that Chuck Colson and the fact that Apple is rejecting the Manhattan Declaration is not as big a deal as you are all making it out to be. I'm an Apple user, with computers, phone etc. I respect their right to run their company in a free enterprise way. That means they can make decisions which I may not agree with, but generally they should get credit for what they are trying to do.

As far as the Manhattan Declaration, I've signed it, but don't find it so atrocious that I don't have it on my I Phone. I do however have The Bible on my I phone and if like 1 Peter 3:15 says, I'm asked to defend what I believe about marriage, or any other subject, I have access to God's word through  that device.

So, you tell me, would I rather have God's word on the I Phone or the Manhattan Declaration. I'm guessing you'll vote for God's word like me. Let's stop making a big deal out of a policy which I may not agree with personally, but don't find it one which I'm willing to go to the mat on. Jim Dobson is famous for saying, "Don't major on the minors"  This is a minor issue. There are bigger issues out there in my humble opinion.
Jan 7, 2011 7:01 PM Guest Bob  says:
I emailed Steve Jobs in December and again yesterday.  No response.  Thanks for helping spread the word on this.
Jan 7, 2011 7:22 PM Guest Paige  says:

Well written.  Not much more I can add other than - money talks.  I intend to give up my iphone and other Apple toys if this doesn't sort out.  I've been looking for an excuse to stick it to AT&T anyway.  What a pairing.  Sent my letter this morning.
Jan 7, 2011 7:33 PM Guest Kurt  says:
I sent a very long and thoughtful e-mail to the Steve Job's e-mail address several weeks ago and obviously heard nothing back.  My e-mail to them was respectful, and was in no way mean-spirited.  But, I pointed out what I thought was the hypocrisy of their decision, citing many of the same examples you used in this e-mail to Focus members.  I find it so hypocritical that they find Christianity offensive when there is so much trash on iTunes, sexual and otherwise.  I don't know where we go from here when we can't even freely express our faith and beliefs openly in this country.  As Mr. Daly said, "offensive" is in the eye of the beholder.  It just infuriates me that these people can't see how hypocritical they are, and how they are denying freedom of speech to a segment of our society they simply don't want to hear from anymore.  Where do we go from here?
Jan 7, 2011 8:14 PM Guest John  says:
Why not boycot Apple. It worked for Ford and others. You never hurt a company by talking to them but you always hurt a company when the bottom line is affected.
Jan 7, 2011 8:14 PM Guest Robert  says:
I emailed Steve Jobs in December and have not received any response.
Jan 7, 2011 8:02 PM Guest Nancy  says:
As much as I want to be saddened and despairing, I am not.  The scriptures make it clear that in the end times, people will not put up with sound doctrine.  Nothing could be more sound than this Manhattan Declaration.  We see this denial of sound doctine in the church...why are any of us surprised to see it at Apple?
Jan 7, 2011 8:04 PM Guest Jennifer  says:
I am so very disappointed in Apple.  I am glad Focus on the Family is shedding the light on this issue.
Jan 12, 2011 9:19 AM Guest Pierre  says:

You have to provide more information about this application to help validate your claims. The statement you quoted from Apple seemed quite alarming.  So before you charge fellow Christians to write a complaint, I think its right to provide what might be seen as offensive.  Before taking the speck out of Apple's eye, maybe consider if their is a log in our own?
Jan 7, 2011 8:40 PM Guest Gretta  says:
Did you clearly reveal the entire intention of your “APP” in this article?

I can certainly insist that Apple is contributing to your success and finances. AND you are contributing to Apple. Many, many non-profits and organized religious groups count on Apples amazing capabilities to contribute to society and you clearly want those of us as Christians to reconsider supporting Apple in any way.
I am so disappointed in your picking fights in this manner. You describe the App you wanted as nothing clear to your audience in this article - not to mention negative headline. Are you putting all of us Christians in a boat with you who hate the sinner not the sin? My opinion is this is how Apple saw it and based their decision.

How about the droid, and all the other smart phones and devices? Will you stop then? You have made yourself responsible for putting them all into Christian hater status and then what? All of us Christians will boycott all smart devices and then what? We will be, well, not smart...then...uhhh...stupid? 

I am a Christian by choice and by heritage. Your bold statement and attempt of defaming Apple by your headline is alone offensive. Mr. Daly, I make my living because Apple offers software and hardware that makes the life and career of a Graphic Designer possible and flourish. I have helped missionaries, churches, youth groups, non-profits only by the power of Apple. I challenge you to recall your headline now.  I challenge you to focus on healing God’s people in a respectful manner.

Mr. Daly, what does the graphic designer who gives you an image to the entire world use? APPLE? I’ll bet a million dollars. Pick your battles and consider standing up for Christianity in more true manner – I challenge you to be the voice to Christians as a community to call on the good people of Islam to stand with us against islam extremists who are killing Christians, educated women and children who have a heart for God and make the extremeists unacceptable to society, not Apple. I challenge you to help the fatherless children have the Fathers who are begging to be a father against cultural status of bitter custodial mothers who have the system by the balls. Stand up. Someone stand up already. Focus on the starving people of the world who are victims to a basic distribution problem, not a shortage of food. Comm'n - there is the obvious.

What would Jesus do? Really?

Clearly you wanted to make money on an app like everyone else does. Maybe I should send a headline out called “Focus on the Money”. That is your new image. I can guard my Family against Apple just fine. Thank you.
Jan 7, 2011 8:42 PM Guest Sharon  says:
I also e-mailed Steve Jobs and received no response.  I am writing this on a Mac and was saving up for an I phone in the Spring.   But I am wondering if I don't need to stop supporting a company whose actions are so unacceptable. 
Jan 7, 2011 9:07 PM Guest David  says:

Apple is no less honorable or more honorable than any other corporate entity. Their products are useful tools for believers and non-believers alike. For those of you that want to boycott them, you'd better stop using any technology. There are also cases of Microsoft bowing to the pressure of certain groups you probably don't agree with.

 

I know committed Christians that work for both Apple and Microsoft. I imagine that these brothers and sisters still need to eat. Boycott either company, or both, and Christians will suffer too.

 

I'm typing this on a Mac, and will continue to use Apple's products until such a time that someone has something better for what I use technology for. I suspect that FOTF will continue to do the same. As a media and communications company I'm sure that FOTF has a few Apple products around.
Jan 7, 2011 9:15 PM Guest laurie  says:
The world finds Christianity offensive anything else goes. Like a previous poster stated it is written and a sign of the times. We are to be watchmen.
Jan 8, 2011 8:22 AM Guest Pat O  says in response to Sharon:
I also emailed Steve Jobs last month and received no response. Thanks!
Jan 7, 2011 9:58 PM Guest Dylan  says in response to Nancy:

 

As much as it is saddening to see this app denied, I personally find that it is quite a statement of peoples' (possible lack of) insight into how companies work to give Apple as a whole this much credit.

With tens of thousands of employees, hundreds of different departments, and even countless number of app reviewers there is bound to be slip-ups in the system. It is most reasonable to imagine that there is one person alone who reviewed this app, with bias - - is it then fair to blame all of Apple for one reviewers' judgment call (or even, if it was a team of reviewers, does it still represent Apple as a whole)?

 

Additionally, I can reasonably guess that Steve Jobs is quite a busy man, and that he probably also has a team of people just to skim through emails - of all people to have a secretary! - It's plausible to think he has thousands of emails coming in each day. I'm even confident to imagine that he probably doesn't even check his own emails at all but has a secondary private email address that his secretary forwards pertinent emails to.
 
I do not believe that homosexuality in the church is acceptable, nor do I believe that the traditional definition of the word "marriage" need be redefined to also be inclusive of same-gendered folk; but I do find that it is quite upsetting for our community of believers to generalize and think that Apple as a whole has some sort of agenda. Even if they do - so be it, we are called to be foreigners in every place we inhabit - as Christ followers. We are supposed to represent personally what we believe in, not to enforce upon others who do not believe, our views - as legislation.
 
For the few that are considering a boycott; you might as well boycott all other products by all other companies because their tax dollars still go to causes you may not agree with.  All I'm saying is that we needn't be people who become irritable at every inconvenience in our spiritual journeys.
Jan 8, 2011 2:42 PM Guest Jim G.  says:
Just another reason to NOT buy Apple products.  I have NEVER owned one.
Jan 8, 2011 2:45 PM Guest Lisa M.  says:
I refuse to do business with Apple. My hubby, two of my kids and my niece have iphones and macs. I have told them Apple is unacceptable to support while they maintain an anti-christian stance. Money talks... if christians would stop buying Apple products, the company would better be able to hear us. We spoke loud and clear to Disney years back.
Jan 7, 2011 11:10 PM Guest Scott  says:
I am a Christian and a fellow app owner with an app on Apples app store.  Although I support the movement behind the Manhattan Declaration, I do stand on the side of Apple with regard to the store.  The store is Apples store, not a public marketplace.  It is a private business storefront.  I am also a small business owner with my own manufacturing facility and offices.  Because the business is my own, I will not tolerate certain things, such as profanity and pornography for example, in my building.  I do not require that employees are Christian, but all employees will listen twice daily to scripture lessons by the likes of John MacArthur and Chuck Swindoll and others.  They have the options to wear headphones if they don't like the preaching.  But out on the street, I cannot enforce those rules for they are public areas.  If Apple bends their human interface and/or other guidelines of 'Apple Ethics' to allow your app in, then they also open up a open ended world of other types of apps.  Yes, there are some apps on the store that I would consider pornography and degrading to women (and men), but Apple does draw a line even with that. I actually feel that allowing your app in the store would do more harm in the long run by the door being opened to
Jan 7, 2011 11:19 PM Guest Scott  says:
Sorry readers, I pressed the return key by accident.  I was saying that I think more harm than good will come eventually should the app be allowed in the store.  There are, I am certain, many apps that satan would love to get on the app store.  If you want to launch your app in a public domain, than creat a wapp(web app).  You will not be able to use the marketing benefits of the apple store, but many apps are downloaded through word of mouth.  On the iphone, the user would simply navigate to your website and press a created icon for the wapp.  When on the page designed to be used on a mobile phone, the user will press the 'forward' button on the tab bar (on Safari) and then press 'add to home screen'.  After doing that, should Focus design it properly, the app will be on the home screen and look and act just like an app designed for the app store.  Thanks for letting me share my opinion.
Jan 7, 2011 11:52 PM Guest Frank  says:
I do not agree with you. Apple as a corporate entity is not merely a trifle that you can manipulate like a pastor does his congregation. They are an economic part of commerce. Applications that SELL business are accepted. Ones that do not pose a potential are not accepted. Get a grip folks. You must start being more savvy to break into the market place. You are using the same tactics as your grandmother's church. That will not work as a vehicle in these modern times. Yes the Gospel is unchanging... but so are your feeble attempts to present it in a culture and time much removed from Biblical times. Do your homework and start thinking in the "now."
Jan 7, 2011 11:52 PM Guest Nick  says in response to Sharon:

Sharon said: <I am writing this on a Mac and was  saving up for an I phone in the Spring.   But I am wondering if I don't  need to stop supporting a company whose actions are so unacceptable.>

 

Personally, I can't help but think about taking similar actions with regard to 'supporting' Apple due to these their actions. But the worse part is this, and I hope y'all will take note of this: Apple is such a tightly knit unit, controlling both software and hardware. But even worse, with their so popular iPhones, Ipods, and now also iPads, the big issue we must consider is that all of those devices depend heavily on such "apps," ... regular computer software does not work on them, they have to be such portable 'apps' to work.  So that is where this is a HUGE deal. You don't have to bypass anything by Microsoft for instance to produce software for a regular PC. They have zero, zilch to say about that. But with this major niche market Apple has in portable devices, if they have such control, and are also proving themselves to be adversaries and against our free speech, we really need to consider if supporting those devices financially and otherwise is the right thing to do.
Jan 8, 2011 2:56 PM Guest Bryan K.  says:
At some point soon, the very Bible itself will be deemed to be a book of hate speech. Any Christian who dares speak God's Word will be arrested on the grounds of making threats to homosexuals. Bullying laws will bolster such activity, making it a crime offend anyone, especially those who are the "enlightened" disbelievers of God. This outrage is coming. Be ready to stand up for our Father. Be ready to spend time behind bars. Be ready.
Jan 8, 2011 2:56 PM Guest JJ Joseph  says:
It's time to get back to basics: don't buy Apple products.  It's possible to survive without Apple!
Jan 8, 2011 5:02 AM Guest Dana  says:

I'm sorry, but I just read the information regarding the declaration, because before this email from FOF I had not even heard of this.

I do believe this App would cause a "hate group" atmosphere and feel that we would be using APPLE to try to push an agenda.

 

I am not surprised that Apple denied this App and actually agree with them doing so.

 

And before you Attack my feelings on this, because most likely since I disagree with all of your responses, you will feel like you want to quote scripture at me and tell me how wrong I am.. remember that your attack is exactly why Non- Christians feel this way about us in the first place.
Jan 8, 2011 5:14 AM Guest Lynne  says:
I agree with Nancy - not surprising, but disappointing nonetheless.  Money really does talk, and unfortunately, there are probably more people who will purchase the "unmentionable" applications than the one you are referring to.  As Christians, we really do need to unite in a meaningful way around these kinds of issues. I had intended to upgrade to the latest iPhone; looks like I'll be purchasing a Blackberry instead.
Jan 8, 2011 5:38 AM Guest ChrisW  says:

Apple is proprietary.  They seem to enjoy the publicity they get from banning things.  Android phones are overtaking them anyway.. so how about an android app?
Jan 8, 2011 5:39 AM Guest Kithikor  says:
Well, obviously Apple has NEVER read the Bible! Lool at all the Bible apps. As we all know it says homosexuality is wrong. So my question, how long before Apple pulls the Bible apps down?
Jan 8, 2011 5:59 AM Guest Karen  says:

Steve Jobs is right in a sense. Christianity is offensive to the unbeliever. But I think his motivation for pulling the app, which seems to be fear of the supposedly offended small special interest group, is off-base.  Fear God not special interest groups.  I sent my email in December but of course have no response.   I just go my brand new Mac Air yesterday, to add to the iPhones, iPad, and numerous other Apple products in my household.  I think I will "fast" from them all for a day and pray for Steve and his company about this.  They are obviously gifted by God to make some really wonderful products - for God's purposes.   Daniel stayed faithful in Nebuchadnezzar's court. He did not run away from the culture into which God placed him.  Yet Daniel did not bow down to it either.  We likewise need to stand up under it.  Thank you Jim Daly and Focus! 

Jan 8, 2011 3:12 PM Guest R King  says:

We must understand that the enemy has advanced a counterfeit sexuality that has gained substantial acceptance in our culture. Since Apple has an acceptance of the counterfeit sexuality (GLBTQ) they would not accept any organization that promotes the truth. Darkness does not want to involve light. Even though we must stand against such evil, the main focus is to educate the Body of Christ in regards to the agenda to indoctrinate our children into accepting and participating in this demonic agenda.

 

The world will do and is doing what it should, walk in darkness and abhor that which is righteous, however slowly but surely the Body of Christ is being drawn into either accepting or ignoring the counterfeit sexuality that is really the issue behind the Apple app situation. God has called us to not only live holy but to also "rebuke and denounce" unrighteousness in any and all forms. Lets not let our guard down, let 2011 be the year for education and honest reflection about our understanding and embracing of biblical sexuality and how we are ensuring that our children are fortified with truth.
Jan 8, 2011 6:35 AM Guest Renee  says:

I had finally decided to take the plunge and buy an iPad. After learning about Apple's decision to ban this app, I'll be letting them know I will not purchase any of their products.

 

The only way to make a change is to stand up and be heard. Corporations only listen when their bottm line is at stake (or there's enough bad press).
Jan 8, 2011 7:27 AM Guest mopat  says in response to Paige:
We don't have any apple gadget's but what is the connection with ATT ?
Jan 8, 2011 3:16 PM Guest Anne F  says in response to Bob :
I also respectfully emailed Mr. Jobs in Dec and again yesterday and have signed the petition. No responses. We are an Apple family and dependent on our iPhones.  I do agree that a boycott may be the only recourse. My long help admiration for Steve Jobs and Apple is rapidly diminishing. I think a public apology is owed to the Manhattan Declaration staff.
Jan 8, 2011 7:30 AM Guest Gary  says:
What exactly was the app? Can you provide a link to it?
Jan 8, 2011 7:43 AM Guest Danielle  says:

I don't know why any of us (Christians) are surprised.  This is NOT a Christian company and Apple is following the current trend in the nation to be swept away by the smallest percentage of the countries views, but who also have a huge financial backing.

The best way to get through to those "of the world" is to hit them where it hurts, financially.  Christians are the majority, DO NOT BY APPLE PRODUCTS PERIOD.  I WONDER WHERE THEY STAND ON ABORTION AND OTHER OFFENSIVE ISSUES TO CHRISTIANS?

What do we Christians do when we find out companies support non-Christian issues, we don't buy their product, nothing different here.  Since Chrstians make up more than 80% of the country, that could have a huge impact.  I wonder what matters more to us, our committment to God....or technology?

Although we know from the bible that these sorts of things will happen, it doesn't mean we sit back and allow it, WE STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT IN GOD'S EYES TO THE VERY END!

Jan 8, 2011 7:55 AM Guest Carrie  says:
Boycott is the way to go people.  Money talks as stated in Jim Daly's comments.  Trade in your Apple toys and switch to another user and be sure Apple know about it and why.
Jan 8, 2011 3:22 PM Guest Rev. G  says in response to Sharon:
The only valid thing for Christians to do is to begin to sponsor big companies that can agree to carry their message Our scientists should develope our places of publishing Christian messages. Discover our own ipad etc and advertise good secular and Christian messages. We can now leave apple alone if it comes to criminalizing Christianity.
Jan 8, 2011 3:22 PM Guest Ronni  says:
I too emailed SJobs in December to no avail even though I stated I have been an apple user since the get-go. 
Jan 8, 2011 8:22 AM Guest Gee  says:
make the app for droid phones
Jan 8, 2011 8:25 AM Guest Gary  says:

A DIFFERENT VIEW

 

Many of today's hard-core atheists use the freedom that Christianity afforded them to attack religion, but Christianity in particular. The primary reason for attacking religion is to respond to Islam. The primary reason for targeting Christianity, rather than Islam, is that it is safe to do so.  Perhaps there is some of that going on here. Are there Islamic apps available asking questions that we infidels might find offensive? If not, how would we feel if these were available?  All I am saying is that perhaps apple is doing this to protect themselves (and the rest of us) from the politically correct pressure to bow to Islam, while that religion then seeks to tramp over beliefs held precious by Christians, Jews, and others?
Jan 8, 2011 8:36 AM Guest Karen  says in response to Nancy:
I agree with you. Nancy. We are naturally saddened to see the decay of our world. However, rejoice, our deliverence is at hand! The time of our King draws near!
Jan 8, 2011 3:26 PM Guest David K  says:

This whole NONE issue is probably why Apple denied the app.  Christianity has survived without apple for 2010 years.

Do you really think this business is a threat to the faith
Jan 8, 2011 9:05 AM Guest D. Fender  says:
Apple is just like so many other organizations that have bowed to the god of political correctness to protect their bottom line. It is unlikely that you will get them to change. Besides, political pressure and force is NOT what Jesus meant in Matt 5 when He spoke of being the salt of the earth. We are to affect our world by living moral lives, not by picketing and using force. That never causes people to want holiness.
Brothers and sisters, we are at the end of time. Jesus is coming soon. It will not be a fashionable thing to be a Christian. Only those who are willing to carry His cross will survive.
Jan 8, 2011 9:08 AM Guest Tom  says in response to Pat O:
Boycotting is a very useful tool, just as the "tools" are that we use daily. God's word says it will rain on the just  & the unjust. Also, He says, we can serve Him or money, not both. When we take a stand, for Him, He will honor that, & make a way. Like a new job at a company that doesn't honor smut & filth. Boycott them for sure! All big companys watch the bottom line closely, & when they learn "why" theirs is dropping off, well, they have to make a better choice, or live w/the consequences. Yes, there will be harder times, but  that doesn't mean we are to sit-back & quietly let it happen. Speaking out, in love, with respect, is called evangelism! Drop their products, honor God & see what He does to help you live abundantly.
Jan 8, 2011 9:10 AM Guest Oswald  says in response to David:

The world we live in is the way it is.  As believers we can only continue to do what Christ has called us to do...  Live a life that reflects him, and by lifting him up, draw others unto him.  I wonder how many of the early christian boycotted Roman buisnesses when belivers where thrown into lions' dens for sport.  Eventually though belivers prevailed by being steadfast in thier faith - Rome eventaully made Christianity official (I'm not sure if that was good or bad).  I'm sure that as we live faithful to our calling, we would be able to change one life at a time - who knows maybe even positively influence the decision makers at Apple.

Jan 8, 2011 9:19 AM Guest Dave  says:

Kurt,

 

My sentiments are EXACTLY as yours. In my case, Steve Jobs actions are personally offensive. My email was not nearly as nice. As a veteran (Naval Aviator and Carrier Pilot) I get really ticked when Americans do not have a clue about the true meaning of Free Speech. I risked my life for 23 years so these folks could have these freedoms. What hypocrites! They really challenge one's capacity to love the lost.

 

Dave
Jan 8, 2011 9:25 AM Guest Collin  says:

The freedom in America that allows us to oppose Steve Job's policies is the same freedom that allows him to set it up and run his company as he wishes. I'm a fan of Apple and this disappoints me that they as well as the world rejects Christ, but we can't hold Apple to the standard that we as believers follow because Apple (and I believe Steve Jobs) is not an entity that claims Christ. If we don't like his product then we shouldn't buy it. Also, none us will probably receive a response from Steve Jobs - he is one of the most successful and influential CEO's of all time. He's got a lot on his plate.

 

Thanks for standing for truth, Mr. Daly.
Jan 8, 2011 3:34 PM Guest Bradley M  says:
There are two sides to this thought - Apple is not the government and is free to do whatever they would like on their own ecosystem (iPhone/IOS devices/etc...).  I do not agree with the policy, but in all fairness if someone came out with an app directly attacking and being defamatory on Christianity I would expect them to follow-through with the same action set to protect.  There are thousands of great applications for a variety of Christian needs that are available on the Apple systems.  Steve Jobs and company are doing a great job in protecting against such issues as pornography and illicit apps on their devices - far better than other companies offering "freedom" in choice.  Would you rather hide behind companies or laws to make sure your word (the message - the great commission) is heard or rely on God's power to get things done?
Jan 8, 2011 9:30 AM Guest Don  says:
I emailed Steve Jobs yesterday with a cc to a large number of my friends.  Some may think all managements are the same as Apples, and maybe so.  However, Christians must respond to mean-spirited censorship and hostility toward Christian beliefs as they come up.  To continue to purchase their products is to condone such un american behaviour.
Jan 8, 2011 9:48 AM Guest b. brown  says in response to David:
Amen, could not have said it better.  Focus on reflecting Jesus with words AND actions and above all PRAY for the leading of the Spirit.  That means without offense or resentment.  Put energy into promoting the declaration where it is welcome with the love and compassion of our Saviour and His umcompromising truth.  This is what people are attracted to.  Jesus is all about individuals.  Do a heart check and make sure the Glory being sought is for God and not for human success of  getting the app back on.  Ask what it is that Jesus would have Focus on the Family see with HIS eyes, not ours.
Jan 8, 2011 4:51 PM Guest Dr. Jim T.  says:
I emailed Steve Jobs twice within the last 5 days.  No response.  Thank you for getting the truth out there.
Jan 11, 2011 8:22 PM Guest RIK  says:

To answer the question that your title poses...No, they just think your message is offensive.

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Jan 8, 2011 10:00 AM Guest Rex K.  says:

I sent a letter to Jobs this week, no response. 

 

I have an idea though.  At the bottom of every app, is a button called "Report a Problem" and within that is another button called "This app is offensive"  My idea is for us as a community to goto every single app that is against what the Declaration and Christianity stand for and say that the app is offensive.  If we flood them with morally offensive apps while continuing to demand that wholesome apps like the Declaration be allowed, we might gain some footing or at least get one or two apps that are offensive to us and our young people removed.

 

Thoughts?
Jan 8, 2011 10:11 AM Guest Scott  says:

Boycotting Apple is not going to do anything.  Really, what we need is to have more Christians take up residence in these companies rather than retreat.  You cannot win people to the Lord if you are not among them.  They are a company that has to cater to many apps that are open to a wide range of beliefs.  What could be a solution is to have a place for Christian apps.  As you know, people would want apps for other faiths. 

 

Remember, they are a business that is trying to succeed.  They cannot be all things to all people.  If you want to make inroads, offer a positive solution.  You will not be heard with empty threats or boycotts.   Christians can make a difference, we just have to stop being lazy.

Jan 8, 2011 10:19 AM Guest Steve  says:
David is on track, but I mean to take things a step farther.  I am a committed, Bible-believing Christian and a physician.  We, as believers, cannot expect corporations to endorse our every pet project or else declare war.  "Offensive" is, of course, in the eye of the beholder.  It's their app store put up by their corporation that services their devices.  The iTunes store has a multitude of Bible apps and various other access points to Christian resources but as soon as they decide not to allow a propriatary product from FOTF we assume they consider Christianity offensive?  I propose we scrap the Manhattan declaration and propose a Westboro declaration.  Until we boycott, speak out, and effectively silence people who are an extremely small and incredibly vocal minority, who call themselves Christians, and who tote around signs proclaiming that "God hates fags" how can we begin to condemn anyone else's actions.  How dare we attempt to police anyone else, when we refuse to police ourselves.  Shame on us.  Gladly, FOTF has bodly taken on Westboro Baptist Church and the like, setting the record straight with... no... articles... whatsoever.  This is reflected in search results from their search tool so, admittedly, my "research" is limited since I felt this article deserved immediate response.  Onward Christian soldiers!  Let's take on things that matter.  God loves homosexuals.  He hates their sin, and mine, and yours.  I truly hope an organization this large, widely read, and well funded will put itself into more worthy pursuits than critique of a corporation for pulling their iPhone app.  Thank you FOTF for your committment to protecting marriage and the sanctity of life.  Please don't journey too far from the path.
Jan 8, 2011 10:39 AM Guest Jenny  says:
I dont have an iphone or Apple...whatever its called, I have a regular phone with nothing extra. BUT I will still be writing a letter to Steve, it is not acceptable to say we cannot have an app that talks about what we believe yet others can then it is hypocrasy (sp?)....at the same time I agree with the 2 earlier posts stating that the Bible prophesied these things and we should not be alarmed but that we are still to be watchman and stand up for our Faith. We may not be suprised (I know that I'm not) but we are still to give our best to Our Lord and our Faith, and that means speaking out, unfortunatly no one does speak out and it just makes things worse for the Chrisitians that are left here on earth right now.
Jan 8, 2011 10:40 AM Guest Jenny  says in response to Nancy:
I completely agree with Nancy. He's coming back soon!
Jan 8, 2011 5:28 PM Guest Andrew R  says in response to Pat O:
Apple is quite arbitrary with their approval of apps - I'm not at all surprised.  One of the reasons I'm not interested in getting an iPhone is their tight and self-serving control of their app store.  It's not that all business aren't self-serving - as they exist to make a profit - but Apple doesn't really have any consistent approach in approving apps. I've heard of many apps being approved, then pulled, then approved again - largely based on public feedback.  The Android Marketplace is pretty much the opposite - with very little control of what apps are available...
Jan 8, 2011 5:28 PM Guest John  says:

Anyone that that's surprised by this decision doesn't follow tech news very much. Silicon Valley has a long history of blatant liberal bias. Take google who last year compensated their employees that were in homosexual unions for the amount their married colleagues received in tax breaks.

 

As much I disagree with a lot of what apple does, they reserve the right to approve, turn-down or ban any content they find "objectionable". Sending Apple emails or letters asking them to lift the ban is counter-productive. It will only create controversy that Apple will use to justify keeping the ban. But, the great thing about America is, if you have a problem with Apple's practices you can take your money somewhere else. Might I suggest Android? or WP7? I think those both have open app stores. A second option would be to release the app on the cydia (jailbreak) app store.
Jan 8, 2011 11:30 AM Guest Ellen  says:
I think a boycott should be established.  If we don't take issue with this, then we will not have a leg to stand on!
Jan 8, 2011 11:40 AM Guest Webster  says in response to Nancy:
Nancy, I think that is a very valid point. How can we expect a secular company to accept sound doctrine when our own churches do not. As Christians we should be far more concerned what our churches accept and deny than what a business does. And, that is the beauty of America -Apple can accept an app or decline it based on their values and I can choose to purchase or not purchase Apple products based on how I veiw their company. Fortunatley there are so many other ways for Focus on the Family to get their message out. Apple is not the only option.
Jan 8, 2011 11:40 AM Guest Jacob  says:

"Does Apple Think Christianity is Offensive?"

 

I have a better question: Do the opinions of non-christians, and companys not expressly christian surprise, offend, upset, or give me any type of pause whatsoever? Not in the least.

Or, perhaps an even better, (if perhaps slightly more inflammatory) question:

 

"Do I really care what Apple thinks?"

 

On the one hand, yes It's a big company that wields a fair amount of cultural influence. On the other hand, I serve the God who made the universe - not really worried or threatened by anything Apple has to say.

 

Now, I do applaud the idea of e-mailing Steve Jobs, (in fact I just did, and encourage others to do so), however, we need not be surprised when the sinful culture around us does sinful things. In fact, if we are at all shocked by actions such as these, then perhaps we need to be in slightly better touch with our own culture; perhaps even our own sin.
Jan 8, 2011 12:01 PM Guest Jonathan  says:

I used to work for a technology company. Working with Apple is impossible. They steal your ideas, and leave you on the road for dead. They are extremely well connected politically and use their political relationships in every way imaginable. A boycott would be a bold move and possibly the only thing they would listen too. There are many competing products that are just as good/great/incredible. Also, Focus should make it easier to listen to the daily broadcast on other music players - not just iPod/iTunes.
Jan 8, 2011 12:09 PM Guest Phil  says:
I'm more offended by this article than by Apple's decision.  I expect Apple to attempt to be politically correct.  They are a pagan capitalistic corporation.  As such, they have every right to reject any app that makes them uncomfortable by their standards.  To boycott them for rejecting your app is just political strong-arming.  What I find especially offensive is that you call this project of yours "Christianity".  It isn't.  The Manhattan Declaration is clearly a political statement not a gospel message.  This is not what Jesus called us to do.  Do it if you want, but don't call it Christianity.  I am pro-life, but that isn't Christianity.  I am all for the traditional definition of marriage, but that isn't Christianity either.  Apple isn't finding Christianity offensive, just your politics.  How about just focusing on the family?  That's what you're good at; that's what you're called to.
Jan 8, 2011 12:12 PM Guest Laurie  says:

You ask us to request reinstatement of an app but don't tell us anything about it (name or nature) so that our email can be taken seriously.  Did I miss something?
Jan 9, 2011 9:06 PM Guest Daniel  says:
I too have emailed Steve Jobs - twice. It does give clarity as to where the leaders of Apple stand, when they make this decision even after appeal.  I wondered, but didn't know what apps Apple might allow that others would find offensive. Thanks for the clarity of information you provided. All we need to do is to pool our money and buy enough stock... or pray.
Jan 8, 2011 12:27 PM Guest Miller  says:
Please don't confuse this with a free speech issue. In my opinion, Apple has every right to reject the application. It is thier App Store, they can do as they please. If you dont like it, don't buy Apple products... would you expect anything different from a company who is not focused on Christ?
Jan 8, 2011 12:35 PM Guest Chris  says:
Why no app for the Android market? Have you encountered simular opposition?
Jan 8, 2011 12:40 PM Guest Kevin  says:
I wish there was a "share" option for both the article and the comments.
Jan 8, 2011 12:47 PM Guest DJ PATRICK  says:
Of course it is offensive, I love my IPOD though!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 10, 2011 7:10 AM Guest James n.  says in response to Kurt:
Apple is not the church. They can do or un do what they will. You still have freedom of speach to promote what ever you want.
Jan 9, 2011 9:07 PM Guest Bob  says:
Business people hear business gain and business loss.  I can do very well without Apple and so can other Christians.  Perhaps you should suggest that to Mr. Jobs.
Jan 8, 2011 1:02 PM Guest Glenn  says in response to David:
I agree, David. Is FOTF really telling us that this is the mountain we want to die on over our use of Apple products? (or any others?) I'm more concerned that church hear and respond to the cries of the poor/oppressed worldwide and reject the paradigm of consumerism that keeps us captive from being offensive to the world for looking like Jesus.
Jan 9, 2011 9:08 PM Guest Peter  says:
I just searched for the Manhattan Declaration app in the Droid marketplace, and apparently it is not there.  Why not ignore/bypass Apple and take the app to the (in my opinion) superior and quickly expanding Droid marketplace.  I think the iphone is a has-been product that won't matter much in a couple of years anyway, and their decision to ban the Manhattan Declaration App only confirms my gut feeling.
Jan 9, 2011 9:08 PM Guest Holice  says in response to Kurt:
Kurt,maybe it is based on what is offensive to them.You are aware Mr Bill Gates the head Guru of Apple is an agnostic aren't you? I'm sure if it was something promoting homosexuality or some other liberal cause it would be acceptable. Don't fret however,I am 72 yrs. of age & I have seen it happen time & time again,when God closes a door He can & will,open a window.Maybe some Christian company will be inspired to give apple some competition.They are getting pretty big anyways.We do not have to worry,God will have His number.Apple,may just be a small pot hole in the road to what God wants to accomplish.
Jan 8, 2011 1:15 PM Guest Rich  says:

Jobs girlfriend is, or was, Kathy Griffin.  It speaks volumes.

I would never buy an Apple product.
Jan 8, 2011 1:48 PM Guest Jeff  says in response to David:

Very well put.

 

I don't really want to play "devil's advocate" here, however you really do have to look at the big picture. This is not an infringement on your freedom of speech. While I personally do not agree with the degree of "discrimination", at the same time this is a corporation, this is their service / product; therefore when they deny an app it is not a violation of our freedom of speech. In all honesty there is not a single civilization in the history of the world that has had a full fledged "freedom of speech." Freedom of speech is more related to the "government sector" not enterprise. What if someone wanted you to pass out pornographic flyers to all of your customers, you would find that offensive and turn them down. You are not violating their freedom of speech. Now if you were standing outside of an adult bookstore and protesting that bookstore in a civilized manner, and the government interfered with that, they would be violating your freedom of speech.

 

I don't think Apple "right", quite frankly, if someone is offended by an app, don't download it, simple as that; and there are far worse apps available.

 

As David said almost every corporation that we use for technology has been persuaded one way or the other by groups that we may or may not agree with.

 

I know that it really stinks for us sometimes, it seems like while the world lives by the seat of its pants, breaks all the rules and gets away with it, while we live by the rules and are constantly under attack. However this is not news to us as Christians, it has been like this for a looong time, and we know it will only become more prevalent as time goes on.

 

I too am typing this on a Mac, and will continue to use Apple until someone else has something better, and it doesn't appear that will be anytime soon with me being in the media industry myself.
Jan 10, 2011 7:56 AM Guest Mary  says:
A sign of our times, people harding their hearts to the "Truth, beauty, and goodness" that are living realities because they are the attributes of the living and triune God.  Let's keep being the salt and light that God calls us to be!  And off course, doing it with love.
Jan 8, 2011 2:31 PM Guest Sally  says:

I emailed Steve Jobs a short message on this and heard nothing. It is all very incredible to me. Thanks for letting us know.

Sally
Jan 9, 2011 9:09 PM Guest Ron  says in response to David:
Very well written and thought out response.  I will not give up on Apple because  of the few who voice their opinion and on this one situation, they think they have won; however, the publicity it is getting is onloy growing and many people are getting very tired of those who bow out because of the few who voice their negative opinions.  I still think of the good Apple has accomplished in the technology field and I feel they will listen to our concerns.  Let's make it a strong matter of prayer and know that God is on our side!  The victory will be His!
Jan 9, 2011 9:10 PM Guest Laurene  says:

Can you release a web version of the ap for us to experience so we know what it is you're advocating?
Jan 8, 2011 3:08 PM Guest Robert  says:

Hypocrisy abounds, indeed.  Are people really willing boycott Apple because it has disallowed an app that allows one to conveniently do what has already been conveniently done by apparently 500,000+ others online?  Is this really about principle?  Of course "'offensive' is all in the eye of the beholder," as Daly's post demonstrates in his being offended by certain things that others are not.  If we are going to be particular about everything being exactly the way we want it and forcing companies to think and act exactly as we do, then I recommend first examining where and how our clothes are made and our food is grown and sold.  If one can demonstrate the ability to function with a clear conscience concerning these things, having either disposed of articles manufactured or purchased against one's conscience or changing all those involved with said articles to conform to one's ideals and way of life, then I will applaud one's efforts in regards to boycotting a company because it chose not to make available an "app" of virtually no significance; however, if this were to actually take place, I doubt the one would even be using any type of computer in the first place.

 

For those taking score, we can be "watchers" but not "legislators" for the world.  God is the judge; vengeance will be his, not ours.  If one feels the need to boycott Apple over this incident, I suggest first examining the plank in one's own believing eye before trying to remove the speck out of a non-believing entity's.  This is my plea for readers to "be" the body of Christ instead of trying to make others "appear" so.

 

Grace and Peace.
Jan 9, 2011 9:12 PM Guest Larry  says:

I emailed Steve Jobs on three occassions about the anti-freedom pulling of the Man Hat app. In the first I presumed that maybe Mr. Jobs was unaware and gave him plenty of room to be wrong. In the second I listed out the sequence of events and gave Mr Jobs room to have made a wrong decision and asked him to reconsider. In the third I laid out that it could no longer be to either of the first two reasons, A) that he was uniformed/uninvolved, B) that he made a wrong decision too quickly. I informed him that he and Apple could not afford a Christian boycott. Yet, that is what is needed.

 

Mr. Jobs is definitively against freedom of speech.

This does not surprise as he often portrays hiumself as the superhero for free content on the web, while playing down the fact that Apple/Jobs hypocritically makes hundreds to thousands of dollars selling web-based communications devices.

 

I am so glad that you have joinded in the debate on the anti freedom stance of Jobs and thereby, Apple.

 

There was an article in the NYT (often anti-Christian themselves)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/13/technology/13facebook.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=a25

regarding the challenges Facebook has had with regards to content that in some cases was downright criminal (i.e.outright  threats of murder, etc.). Facebook responded in a very responsible, yet freedom honoring way. It can be done. It's just that Steve Jobs and Apple supports the homosexual, pornograhic and abortion industries.

 

Mr. Jobs refuses to respond to proper, civil discourse. Therefore, he leaves us no real option but to call for Christians to boycott Apple.

 

Thanks for all you do at Focus on the Family.

blessings,

Larry
Jan 8, 2011 3:46 PM Guest Phil  says in response to Dana:
hear, hear
Jan 9, 2011 9:12 PM Guest DP  says:

I am a Christain, American and a Veteran of our armed forces.  Jim, forgive me for being frank with you on this issue.  I do not have a I-phone, however my son does.  If you want me to get behind this issue, you are going to have to also inflame my intellect.  What is the part of the app that is objectionable to Apple and why?  Why did you not explain this in your first article.  I want to get behind Christians on these type of issues, but you are going to have to engage more than my faith and emotions...give me more information.

 

d
Jan 8, 2011 3:53 PM Guest Phil  says:
One more thing.  Jim, I hope you are reading these comments.  Calling people to fight generates a lot of pride and aggression.  I hope the app is worth the hostility.  I can promise you that Steve Jobs is not hearing the gospel in all this.  Nor is anyone else that happens to be employed to read his emails. 
Jan 9, 2011 9:13 PM Guest Linda  says:
Probably the most effective way to change Mr. Jobs mind about his refusal to allow the Manhattan Declaration is to call for a boycott of all Apple products. Unfortunately, trying to reason with an ignorant person like that is pointless. Hitting him in his pocketbook will be more likely to get his attention.
Jan 9, 2011 9:14 PM Guest Walter  says:
I have an issue with being a PROUD signer of the declaration.  If I am reading the Bible correctly, it says that God hates pride and will exalt the humble.  I am often proud and imperfect, even to the point of being proud of being humble.  I do agree that we should expose and resist evil.  It's a tough act to balance, but I'm trusting in God's ability to handle it. He has provided a way of reconciliation for us as beloved buut imperfect.  Fortunately for us as believers, God will discipline us when we choose to do anything immoral.  I just hope that Apple will realize that the Truth does not change to suit those who refuse to acknowledge God and choose immorality.
Jan 8, 2011 4:11 PM Guest Tracy  says:

I too have emailed Jobs and spread the word as much as I can.

Nothing left to do now but boycott Apple.
Jan 9, 2011 9:14 PM Guest Larry  says:

Earlier I posted a response which spoke of what I believe is a correct response from Facebook to the challenges of determining proper content. I just now became aware of a situation where I believe ABC properly responded to a Christian complaint. Both of these organizations serve as example that Apple/Jobs can preoperly respond and maintain freedom of expression and religion. Here is the link with regards to ABC: http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/practice.asp

I feel it is our responsibility as Christians to give credit for proper response where deserving.

again. thanks for everythiong,

Larry
Jan 8, 2011 4:40 PM Guest Addie  says in response to Scott :
I think you are right on the money with your suggestion of circumventing Apple & designing a wapp that people can add to their iPhone. I'm surprised that Apple would allow that though.
Jan 8, 2011 4:53 PM Guest Tom  says:

My son who has the responsibility of buying communication products for his company, has been trying to get me to buy an apple Telephone product. I showed him this article and He said he would steer his company away from Apple products.

Thanks for the heads up on Apple
Jan 8, 2011 4:56 PM Guest Doug  says in response to Nancy:
Right on Nancy!!  I agree 100% regarding your comments about sound doctrine in the church.
Jan 11, 2011 7:03 PM Guest Emily  says:
I think Apple is right. These types of things are not productive towards the goals of the kingdom. It's hateful and only reflects judgement. I'm sure if there was such an app that attacked Christian principles it would be rejected too, as a matter of fact I know Apple has rejected such apps. I will be writing Steve a letter telling him how great I think it is great that he keeps his company free of the kind of material that is offensive and hateful. As a Christian who specializes in outreach I cannot stand this. I have to constantly deal with the sterotypes that are generated by Christians with these kinds of agendas. Our only agenda should be the Gospel and doing what Jesus did. I cannot recall Jesus wasting his time with petitions and politics. Maybe if we spend less time on Capitol Hill and more time on the streets, we could really discover what it means to follow Christ. The disease is sin and all I get FOTF emails about are only symptoms of that disease. We can try to cover the symptoms up with guilt, judgement, and social pressure but only Jesus can cure the disease. Is this showing people Jesus? Definitely not, at least not the Jesus I know and love.
Jan 10, 2011 6:18 AM Guest Marianna  says:
I, too, am thinking about giving up on Apple, for boycott purposes. I own a Mac and have been waiting for the right time to purchase an iPhone, but I also think that this decision by Apple is inappropriate and discriminatory. For that alone, it is worth taking my money elsewhere - the "bottom line" is really where it will hurt Apple. And, we must remember that boycotts can bring success.       
Jan 8, 2011 5:24 PM Guest Don  says in response to John :

A nice Christian sentiment; let's HURT those don't appreciate our values and convictions. Didn't Jesus say something like "hurt those who...." oh no... I think it was "bless" them..."pray for" them...

 

Why are so many of today's "Christians" so concerned about protecting their "rights" and forcing the world to respect and tolerate their Christian values?  I thought we  were supposed to "consider it all joy....."

 

Back off, folks. The world hated our Master and it will hate us. Don't fight them.... pray for them. And rejoice that modern Christians are finally beginning to share the offense of the Cross!
Jan 8, 2011 5:32 PM Guest John  says:
If we as Christians put as much energy into being about the work that Christ gave us to do as we put into whining about issues as trivial as iphone apps, the world would be a different place. This and everything else we apply ourselves to needs to be assessed from an eternal perspective. The time given to us by our Lord is short, let's focus on what really matters.
Jan 8, 2011 5:39 PM Guest Ginny Z  says:
I e-mailed Steve Jobs today, 1/8/11 and informed him that I would no longer be using his products or sites, like iTunes, Mobile Me, etc.  This is just another example in a long line of offenses that is aimed at persecuting Christians.  We as Christians need to stand up and be heard!  Let's let them know that we are for God and God is for us!!!!
Jan 8, 2011 5:43 PM Guest Daniel  says in response to Jennifer:
While I agree that discussion is a good thing and would be beneficial, why do we expect companies to do the right thing?  Should it surprise us at all that they prefer to do things that would hinder those who try to live according to God's will?  I don't think it should.
Jan 12, 2011 9:09 AM Guest Don  says:

In view of all that the Word of  God has to say about the Christian's relationship to the world it is hard to understand the mean spirit dsplayed in so many of these posts!  When we, as Christians, discover that the world is intolerant of our values and convictions, are we to "hurt" our persecutors? Are we to fight back and punish them for denying us our "rights?"  Was that what Jesus meant when He said, "Bless them that curse you" or "pray for them" or "turn the other cheek" or "return good for evil?"  I thought the clear teaching of the Word of God was to "count it all joy" when we are persecuted for Christ's sake.

 

Back off, brothers and sisters!  The world hated our Master and the world hates his followers. Understand that persecution NOW for His followers means GLORY through eternity.  I rejoice to see that modern Christians are finally beginning, in a small way, to experience a share in the shame and offense of the Cross!  As Ambassadors for Christ it is our privelege to offer reconciliation with God through Jesus Christ to a sin-sick world.  It is NOT our job to try to force the world to respect or even tolerate us. The heroes of the faith in Hebrews eleven provide the example for us. Let's get back to the Word of God and act like His children; not like the citizens of THIS EVIL WORLD!
Jan 9, 2011 9:15 PM Guest William  says in response to Dylan:
We have to go beyond your way of thinking. Freedom of speech is a God given right and backed up by the Consitution. If we do not act on it, it will be taken away just as you have witnessed in many areas of our God given country already. God gave us this country and He expects us to take care of and preserve it. As for me, I will do what is necessary to protect the rights God has so generously given. To others who say leave it alone, I will remind you of your words when our rights have nearly all been erroded.
Jan 8, 2011 6:11 PM Guest Don  says in response to Webster:
AMEN, Webster! And from many of the posts I see in this forum it appears that the church is not doing a very good job educating it's members about the relationship between the world and the Christian.
Jan 9, 2011 9:16 PM Guest Jay  says in response to Jacob:

I am a Christian, who is a TV/multimedia producer in the media who uses many Apple products in my day. Regardless of wether you feel Apple is right or wrong to celebrate selective diversity, this is bigger than one tech company. While Apple privately owns the app store, itunes, etc. there is an underlying power growing as we move to centralized points of information that one day could be used to "delete" christianity's voice.

 

I personally feel this latest example is a clear vision for what lies ahead. What happens when the voice of our God, who said some really offensive things like "you are not God, I am", etc. are systematically removed from Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, and of course iTunes/App Store.

 

Just those 5 companies now have the power to control the free range of thought almost worldwide. Certainly enough power to marginalize it which is now what is happening. With the growing rise of political activism to override American voters, hate crimes charges will no doubt be part of our experience as speakers of the digital gospel.

 

WHAT YOU SHOULD DO IF YOU CARE: 1) Recognize that for the most part, the church has become anemic in it's quest to be relational and culturally relevant. (And I am one of ones who led in the media church movement in the 90's). So Im not talking about going backwards, but find your spiritual backbone again. After all, society is a good measurement of our perception. Porn is much more accepted in conversation than the word church.

 

2) Shake your money bag. Tally the amount of all the Mac apps, idevices, software and all else and send emails not only to Steve Jobs, but Apple's sales and support departments. Make their company as a whole have to have a dialog about this policy situation.  Let them know that while "My macs are used for church, worship and christian work", photoshop also runs on a Dell. And our pastoral team will make decisions on where we should spend our money this year. It wont be with you Apple...

 

3) Get your congregation involved by joining the same cause. USE SOCIAL MEDIA to get the word out. And believe this is worth doing. Two many of us look at the giants and think it's of no real use to even try. Believe your God enough to get to the promised land.

 

Last, while this may or may not be a big deal - WAKE UP. DO SOMETHING. STAND.
Jan 8, 2011 6:50 PM Guest Carley  says:
A few months ago I purchased a new computer for the 1st time in many years.  For conveninece sake because of my work, I chose to buy a PC, though I really had hoped to purchase Apple, because so many I know have switched.  I'm proud and happy now that I chose the other guys!  After reading this, I'm not sure I'll ever want to switch now.  I really don't like it when I am descriminated against because I'm Christian.  I will pray for these lost souls.
Jan 8, 2011 7:48 PM Guest Suzanne  says in response to Jacob:
It is disapointing to have a company that I thought was Christian. Then we should All of us as Christians know we are in end times and not be surprised. Should we do sonething about it? By all means, arn't we called to PRAY for the lost and share the GOSPEL of Jesus our Lord. God is in control. Do what you can to make a difference, but do it the way He would do it
Jan 8, 2011 8:08 PM Guest Andrew  says:

There are thousands of Christian oriented apps, e-books, audiobooks, podcasts, songs and videos available through Apple's various online services (iTunes, iBookstore, App Store, etc.). FOTF itself has 10 podcasts, an app and hundreds of audiobooks listed with them. It's fine to criticize Apple for their decision on this particular app, but it is utterly ridiculous to imply that they think that Christianity is offensive.

 

The number of Bible translations, concordances, Bible studies and various other Christian texts available to iPhone and iPad users is mind boggling...and all for prices that make it affordable for even the poorest seminarian. Take a look at a portion of what is given for FREE on the Accordance App released this past week:

 

  • English Standard Version
  • Easton's Bible dictionary
  • Strong's numbers link the English words of the ESV to  the  underlying Greek and Hebrew, enabling you to do in depth word  studies.
  • Greek and Hebrew dictionaries
  • The King James Version with Strong's numbers (KJVS)
  • The King James Version Apocrypha (KJVA)
  • The 1901 American Standard Version (ASV)
  • French La Sainte Bible, Nouvelle Edition de Genève 1979 (NEG79)
  • Italian La Sacra Bibbia, Nuova Riveduta 1994 (NR94)
  • German Schlacter translation 1951 (SCHLA)
  • Spanish Reina Valera 1909 (RVR09)
  • Greek and Hebrew Strong's Dictionaries
  • Matthew Henry Concise Commentary
  • Hitchcock's Dictionary of Bible Names
  • Nave's Topical Bible

 

I beg you all to do a little research on the Christian products made available by Apple before you smear them with such a broad brush. To the person who suggested favoring the Android App store: research a little on the type & quantity of hard porn available there.
Jan 8, 2011 8:11 PM Guest Pam  says in response to John :

Wrote my letter to Jobs a few days ago also and mentioned boycotting.  Why would I want to support a company who supports such as that?  Not going to happen.

Jan 8, 2011 8:14 PM Guest Natalie  says:
I'm not sure why we care so much about what Apple thinks.  Why do we Christians expect everyone else to push our agenda when we have such a hard time consistently showing the world the fruits of the spirit.  (Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Faithfulness, Gentleness, & Self Control)  I believe if we truly EXUDED these qualities, we would have no problem convincing others of the TRUTH.
Jan 10, 2011 8:14 AM Guest Linette  says in response to Scott :
Nobody says they HAVE to make the app available; only that if Apple is to be fair, they should.
Jan 8, 2011 8:54 PM Guest Roger C.  says in response to Dylan:

It's pretty well known that Steve Jobs has incorporated some pro homosexual policies into the company itself and in the fight in California for the definition of marriage, he clearly came down on the side of the homosexual community and has supported homosexual causes with the full weight of his position in the company.

 

I've seen Steve reply to individuals who email him over much more mundane issues than this and I'm sure he is fully aware of the app in question and fully aware of the tens of thousands of emails that believers are sending him, just as I am sure that he had the final say in denying the app.

 

As to your belief that Christians ought not to stand up for what is right in the public arena, including government and legislation, well,  you should take a closer look into the scriptures and into American history and see just how influenced the founding of our nation and yes, it's laws have been by the Bible and God's hand through those who believe.

 

"Irritable" ? " inconvenience" ? That hardly describes what is going on here. If we are not salt and light in every area of life then we are not followers of Christ. John the Baptist spoke out and got imprisoned and his head cut off. Why ? For telling someone that what they had done was wrong ! The Bible is full of examples of people who stood up to an unbelieving society, declaring what was right and shining a light on what was wrong. God commends them !

 

That you take the time to write this post  criticizing your brothers and sisters in Christ for trying to take a stand for what is right, is disturbing. As a follower of Christ and as an American I won't sit back and do nothing while our society heads further into the darkness.

Jan 8, 2011 9:12 PM Guest Philip  says:

Great comments everyone. Don't think for a minute that Apple doesn't know what's going on here. Mr. Jobs exerts a very fine level of control at Apple and was probably responsible for having the app pulled in the first place. I have emailed Steve Jobs multiple times, but he is a very liberal Democrat and probably won't change his mind.

 

So where does that leave those of us who use and love Apple products? I'm not sure, but one thing I am sure of is that Apple is not "the enemy." In fact, homosexual activists are not even "the enemy" either; they are sinners (just as we all are) and need the Lord (just as we all do). So whatever the Christian community's response to this blatant discrimination is, I hope it will be geared toward love and redemption for homosexuals, not bitterness or anger. Our society will begin to honor God's standards for human sexual behavior when - and only when - they see love and compassion written all over our faces. Homosexual activists are always insisting that our objections to their lifestyle are rooted in "hate." It's up to us to prove them wrong.

 

As the old saying goes, people don't care how much you know until they know how much you care.
Jan 8, 2011 9:15 PM Guest Eddy'sGal  says:
I have emailed him as well and have yet to receive a response, though, my posting of my Human Events article discussing this topic, did start a great dialog on Facebook!
Jan 8, 2011 9:30 PM Guest Renee  says:

I'm not really trying to be funny here, but I seem to remember a little bit of trouble we had once before in a garden that involved an apple.

 

Is there another lesson here for us? Apple is not a Christian-friendly company and at times seems to actually embrace lifestyles and ideology that I, as a Christian, find offensive.  I can't justify supporting this company by purchasing any of their products.
Jan 8, 2011 10:06 PM Guest Nichole  says:
I agree with Dana. As much as I am saddened by Apple's decision, it's their decision. We are only putting ourselves on the same level as the protesting homosexual group by protesting. I always try to think about how Jesus would have handled situations like this, and I really can't see him as the type that would make a big deal out of this stuff. He traveled, performed miracles and spread the word of God...when did he ever make a "huff" because someone disagreed with him being the Son of God or because someone tried to back him into a corner? Because that's what the world is trying to do to us - back us into a corner and limit our power...and by letting them get to us, they're winning. We need to trust in God's plan for the world (remember, all of this has already been written; God already knows who's apps are going to be accepted/denied and what president is going to make it into office well before it happens). Our command is to spread the Good News to those who don't already know it (not protest decisions made by people who already do and choose to ignore it), love our neighbors and enemies as ourselves, and remember God should be number one in our thoughts, not whether or not Apple finds Christianity offensive. I would think prayer is a far better tool than boycotting anyway...right? ;) <3
Jan 8, 2011 10:17 PM Guest David  says in response to Jim G.:
Then Jim, you have missed out on some really well-designed technology. Please do your research before you eliminate Apple (or any other company) from your list of companies you do business with.
Jan 10, 2011 7:13 AM Guest David  says in response to Lisa M.:

Lisa M,

 

If Christians stop buying Apple products, then they would miss out on some tools that they (Christians) could use to further the kingdom through video, music, spoken word, photos, graphic arts, fine arts and the internet. It is common knowledge that Apple's computers do all these things well and reliably. Do you really want us to forgo the best tools for these tasks over an application which, in the scheme of things, doesn't really matter?

 

Using Windows? Microsoft supports the LGBT agenda. Better stop using any computer from any company.

 

What do you drive? Ford, GM, Honda, Toyota, Chrysler, and Nissan (and the rest) have all donated to things that you (and I) don't agree with. And they all advertise in magazines that you wouldn't allow in your home. Better stop driving.

 

As for the Disney boycott - it did little or nothing in the long term. Disney still has Gay Pride days at its resorts.

 

Want to change people - and the companies they are a part of? Pray for them, love them, communicate love to them via email and phone calls and patronize them. They will know that we are Christians by our LOVE. And that will, in time, change hearts and minds.
Jan 10, 2011 7:00 AM Guest David  says in response to Nick:

Nick says: "You don't have to bypass anything by Microsoft for instance to produce software for a regular PC. They have zero, zilch to say about that."

 

You don't have to get Apple's approval for software for the Mac, either. You are trying to compare "Apples to Oranges." This issue is in regard to MOBILE devices. Apple choses to control what goes on the phone to insure that the phone works properly and other apps are not compromised. Want to see what would happen without that control? Check out the Android world where some apps cause other apps (or the whole phone) to crash. Add to that the Android's subpar user experience and I'll stick to the iPhone, thank you.

 

Apple also exercises some editorial control over those apps, which is what the "fuss" is about.

 

If you are a developer, go "web app" or write the application review team at Apple. The developer is the one that needs to push the right buttons at Apple IF their app is rejected.

http://developer.apple.com/news/

 

If you are NOT a developer and want to get your voice heard, then write or call Apple's corporate folks:

Apple Inc.

1 Infinite Loop
Cupertino, CA 95014
408.996.1010

 

I imagine a few thousand calls might get their attention.
Jan 8, 2011 11:20 PM Guest Richard  says:
Anyone who has a little bit brain, including me, knows that this is a great country and is founded in Chritianity.
Jan 8, 2011 11:29 PM Guest Linda  says:
I contacted Steve Jobs in December. I did not get a response. I was going to get my first Apple product this Christmas, an iphone - instead, I decided to boycott Apple- I bought an Android phone- and LOVE it.  Apple does not deserve our business.
Jan 8, 2011 11:34 PM Guest Niles  says in response to Scott :
I tend to agree with Scott. Buying or not buying an Apple product will not change the culture within Apple. They were one of the first companies to promote gay friendly policies such as medical benefits for gay partners. Many of their employees are gay and would take exception to this app being available on Apple products. Ford is another company that openly promotes gay friendly agendas. Our public schools are fully of policies that consider any speech offensive to gays as intolerable. Where do we start and end with boycotts? Perhaps flooding Jobs' inbox with emails about how much God loves everyone, including homosexuals, would do more good than threating to try and lower Apple's stock price by a very small minority of customers who will not buy Apple. Does Apple think that Christianity is offense? They probably do as do most politically correct companies in our world do. The Christian message of exclusivity, Jesus being the only way to God, just doesn't find many adherents in today's post-modern world.
Jan 9, 2011 9:18 PM Guest Shunshen  says:
Apple only acts based on what they think the easiest for their business. Any one with a little bit brain, including me, knows that this is a great country, rooted in Chritianity and to be an example of other countries. There are always people who can not stand it and wants to destroy it. If they are successful, it will only because there are not enough prayers from righteous Christians or too many sleepy Chritians. In the meantime, we can also do practical things such as putting money, casting vote and speaking out based on Christian values.
Jan 9, 2011 12:17 AM Guest bianca  says in response to Dylan:
"We are supposed to represent personally  what we believe in, not to enforce upon others who do not believe, our  views - as legislation...  we needn't be people who become irritable  at every inconvenience in our spiritual journeys."  Well said, dylan! I couldn't agree with you more.
Jan 9, 2011 12:49 AM Guest Connie G  says:
Thank-you Focus on the Family for loving Jesus and your consistently godly interests. My children love Apple products.  Praise God and brilliant people using breath-taking intellegence to make marvelous products.  Homosexuality however, is not marvelous.  Please do not read that as a loveless statement.  In his twenties, my beautiful brother announced he was a "bi-sexual"  then a homosexual, then got AIDS and after years of struggle is now dead.  This continues to be the most difficult experience our family has faced.   I am concerned truth is being surpressed by lies.  This is good for no one. Sexual purity is marvelous, healthy for body and soul.  Let a Manhattan Declaration app facilitate honest and thorough dialogue, helping fill the world with truest love and goodness.
Jan 9, 2011 1:34 AM Guest Marie  says:
I think if we come across offensive apps or pornography in itunes we must click "Report a Problem", then choose "This application is offensive," so we could identify which apps are offensive  and could negatively affect users.  If more of us, Christians, do this then maybe it would make a difference. Apple will be aware of what the majority(or at least number of complaints) deems as offensive.
Jan 9, 2011 6:00 AM Guest Kevin  says:

None of this should be surprising, as the world is simply acting like...well, the world.   Placing an expectation on contemporary non-believers to hold to a modicum of righteousness is 1980's thinking. 

 

Creatively work around this by simply developing an Android version and cut out the boycott stuff.   Truth IS, and does not care what anyone thinks of it.
Jan 9, 2011 7:02 AM Guest Bob  says in response to Paige:
Well written indeed. We let go of our final AT&T services just recently (I wish it could have been for this reason... but it was for other poor business practice reasons).  Money does talk, and we as Christians, have to draw a line in the sand and stop empowering attacks on Christianity with our dollars. This may be difficult. We may have to stop buying many of our favorite products and services, but it's a small price to pay for standing up for the Gospel.  Don't you agree?
Jan 9, 2011 7:13 AM Guest stacy  says:

I read the first three paragraphs of the declaration, I can see why APPLE might decline.  The language is very accusatory and could be inflaming to unstable individuals.

 

I believe in publicizing our faith, ideals, and values.  Removing the adjectives might be a start.
Jan 9, 2011 7:23 AM Guest Jonathan  says:

Hi,

 

I left a comment earlier and didn't see it posted.  Will retry, this time with more context.

 

In addition to the fact that the few people who have signed the Manhattan Declaration do not represent all of Christianity, the issue with the Manhattan Declaration is this statement:

 

We acknowledge that there are those who are disposed towards homosexual and polyamorous conduct and relationships, just as there are those who are disposed towards other forms of immoral conduct. We have compassion for those so disposed; we respect them as human beings possessing profound, inherent, and equal dignity; and we pay tribute to the men and women who strive, often with little assistance, to resist the temptation to yield to desires that they, no less than we, regard as wayward…

 

This paragraph goes on and on, driving home the same point several times. That point is the presumption that GLBT people are inherently broken and inferior. That if we live comfortably as who we are, our lives are defined as “immoral conduct.” The authors don’t bother trying to explain how “profound, inherent, and equal dignity,” let alone our full participation in civil society, could possibly coexist with this situation, and they may actually have no understanding of why this is offensive “to large groups of people.”

Apple is simply making a distinction between applications that promote fear and hatred of minority groups and those that counter the promotion of fear and hatred of minority groups. Because those are two very different things.
Jan 9, 2011 9:24 AM Guest Dan  says:
We are commanded to GO into ALL the world and preach the good news to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, and whoever does not believe will be condemned. Jesus tells us to wipe the dirt from our sandles when we leave the towns who do not want to listen to us. People, what we have is the WORD OF GOD, it is offensive to people!! At one time in my life I worked for a Christian boss who preached to us on Monday mornings. I didn't like it but I never said anything. When things got ugly in my own little world I turned to God because of this man. What I saw in him was something I didn't see in the World. He just loved people and preached the Gospel. Now I get to live forever in eternity. THAT my friends is Good News. If more of us would just love people then there would be a whole lot more of us going to heaven and not hell. Get in the Word instead of the world. 1 John 2:15 says Do not love the world or the things in the world. "If anyone loves the world, the love of the father is not in him"  He commands us to love the Lord your God and to love one another. Why are we worried about some stupid app? Pray for the lost people at Apple and some of them will get to go to heaven where we can have all the apps we want and a whole lot more!
Jan 9, 2011 11:33 AM Guest Bill  says:
Why worry about Apple so much? Who needs them. Just make the app for Android and that would hit Apple where it counts.The Droid phones are quickly taking over the smart phone market and making this app available for android would have a real impact.
Jan 11, 2011 7:54 PM Guest Andrew P  says in response to Kurt:
you cant hold apple accountable for all the content on itunes....you expect them, the cool guys to not let you listen to certain music? thats censorship. if you dont like what apple does then dont use their products. the world isnt fair.....Apple is here to make money....what do you expect them to do? Christianity iis offensive just like clowns are offensive to people who are afraid of clowns....I read this and I still dont understand what the App is that is so wrong...christianty is out of date and  If you need to beilve in magical beings in the sky go a head but dont complain to people when others dont want to talk to your imaginary magical freind in the sky. If you are upset with Apple then go elsewhere. There are so many other causes and concerns in the world to worry yourself about try internet fighting for Hunger or Aids or Homelessness.
Jan 9, 2011 12:16 PM Guest Tracy  says in response to Kurt:
While I applaud and appreciate the efforts that are being made to keep christian values mainstream and in the public eye what we all need to remember is that society does not care about our views, morals
Jan 9, 2011 9:20 PM Guest Robert  says:

I am disappointed in Apple and their policy stance.  I have owned Apple Computers since 1986 and now work in both platforms (Apple and PC).  Suggestion, develop the app for the Driod and Palm Pre, bet they would approve it, both devices, along with the Blackberry are growing in popularity.
Jan 9, 2011 12:24 PM Guest Tracy  says in response to Kurt:
Sorry I did not get to finish my statement, my computer could use some TLC.   As I was saying, society does not care about our views, morals, or convictions because they don't understand them, because they don't know Jesus!  As we go about trying to "stand up" for what we believe, we need to be more concerned with are we "showing" what we believe?  Do we live like we have Jesus?  And we need to pray to God to show us how to share the love of Jesus to those around us!  I know it's easy to get angry and frustrated with people who don't see things the way we do, but what about feeling pity for them?  They are the ones who are lost and are not represented to God.  When I run up against people who try to shut down my beliefs I try to take a stand, but mostly I PRAY!!!
Jan 9, 2011 2:14 PM Guest Sarah  says in response to Jacob:

Jacob is exactly right!

 

We have just about everything that Apple makes x2.  We love how simple their products are to use and the fact of the matter is, we've got so many apps that enable our daily walks with the Lord that it's kind of hard to complain.  While I love the Manhattan Declaration and am myself a signer of it, I'm also not surprised at the world's response to it.  It would be offensive to me if I didn't believe.
Jan 9, 2011 2:31 PM Guest Paige B.  says in response to Sharon:

Sharon,

Consumer Reports refuses to support the IPhone4 because of its technical problems.  The magazine gave at least 10 suggestions of other phones that are better; maybe you could try one of them.
Jan 9, 2011 3:24 PM Guest elle k  says:
While I doubt a response will be received, my e-mail has been sent.  I think it will very exciting to see how God Almighty uses Apple for His glory!!!  It's going to be fantastic. 
Jan 9, 2011 5:34 PM Guest Jim  says:
Christian boycotts never do any good regardless of what any of you think.  In fact they are very harmful to the name of Christ.  They make us look like a political or social movement and take attention away from the gospel.  Neither Christ or the Apostles participated in any boycotts, they had more important things to do.
Jan 9, 2011 7:07 PM Guest jairu  says:
Apple weighed more on gays than Godly undertakings. Is Apply doesn't believe God? If they are then for Satan? Well, lets boycott all Iphones. I know a lot of people being hooked on these but who do you prefer? God or Satan?
Jan 9, 2011 7:55 PM Guest Jack  says:

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, corporate or personal, in this country.  Seeking to shape the opinions of those in our area of influence is an important part of our mandate to share Christianity.  But, spending our energy trying to influence a mega corporation to publish a piece of software seems a little off track.

 

I'll purchase the products I want based on the product's merit and not spend my time judging the corporate boardroom.  Biblically, they will be judged but not by you or me.  I'll try to focus my energy on making a difference in lives and not company policy.
Jan 9, 2011 10:31 PM Guest Linda  says:
I have emailed Steve Jobs twice about reinstating the Manhattan Declaration app.  I, too, have received no reply from anyone at Apple.  I also called the company and was given the proverbial "brush-off."  The customer service rep that i spoke with gave me an obviously "canned" reply that she seemed to be reading because the language she used was rather stilted.  Basically, I understood from her that she could not or would not take a message about the Manhattan Declaration app from me.
Jan 10, 2011 5:11 AM Guest Jay Leo  says in response to Jacob:

I love the idea of an Android app. But what about one that tallies how many us are switching over and returning our Mac love for a refund. I am a 12 year user and own a lot of it. I just took back my new iPhone 4 I got new years day and will look at the Android.I'm selling my Ipad, and other stuff. It's not some emotional reaction in fear - but wake up anemic church! Put the latte down long enough to be counted on the "non cool" side when it counts.

 

The bigger issue is that if Apple, Facebook, Google, YouTube and a few others are allowed to "turn off" Jesus to the world, in this digital age that could affect millions. Wether you agree this is big or not, atleast tally what you own and let Apple know you will act accordingly. If the church media people alone used social media to build a backlash, that churches were no longer going to bite the forbidden apple, they might care more. Money speaks where morals dont.
Jan 10, 2011 6:24 AM Guest Grace  says in response to Scott:

I agree with your comments, Scott.  Well said and with great intent.

 

FOTF should try other means or truly think of the motive for wanting the app out in the public in the first place.  Do you wish to further the kingdom of God, or do you really just want to attack Apple?  Maybe try another route or scrap the idea altogether.  I am a Christian, I believe in Jesus Christ and His teachings and I believe that attacking people and screaming hypocrisy is not what Jesus meant for us to do.  We can try to move our mission in other ways if one certain way is rejected.  We are living in a technology age, for crying out loud.  Why stop with one means of execution?  If one thing doesn't work out, step back, pray, ask God to reveal His mission in your heart and then let Him move you.  Don't force an opinion because you want to prove how the world hates us. We already know that.  We are to serve IN LOVE and leave the rest to God.  Thank you.
Jan 10, 2011 6:24 AM Guest Chris  says in response to Jim:

I have to agree that boycotts rarely do any good. Apple has done a good job by not allowing pornographic Apps on the iPhone, which is not the case with any of their competitors. Would you rather be giving your money to companies that allow porn to be sold on them, or Apple, which doesn't. (Apple is also one of the richest companies in the US--with a higher market capitalization that Microsoft--with $23 billion in cash.)

 

I have found Apple computers to be much more useful, based on the operating system, and much more efficient from an actual daily productivity standpoint (yes, I have used Windows computers for years too). It also is less prone to viruses and malware, keeping my personal data safe.

 

The truth is, there are many Bible and Bible study Apps for the iPhone available, so Apple is obviously not anti-Christian. There are many alternatives for getting the Manhattan Declaration on the iPhone without having an app: A mobile web site with features for the iPhone (even with the quiz that some seemed to find offensive) or a PDF version which can be read on the iPhone or iPad iBooks application. Even a simple Word version can be stored and viewed on the iPhone. In fact, here is a link to a PDF version that you can download or copy to your iPhone: Manhattan Declaraion - Official English Translation. Problem solved.

 

I think the big issue from Apple is that the MD supports people ignoring laws that protect gay people.  What if there were an app that called for Muslims to ignore laws that don't follow Sharia law? We would expect Apple to reject that too.

 

As a Christian, I wonder how much time and effort has been wasted on this silly effort which could have been spent on things that God really wants us to be doing.
Jan 10, 2011 6:27 AM Guest Chris  says in response to Jay Leo:
Before you jump over to the Android, remember that Apple doesn't not approve any porn apps, however Android does allow porn apps. Porn is arguably a much bigger problem for kids today, don't you agree? There are several sites set up exclusively to sell porn for the Android.
Jan 10, 2011 7:01 AM Guest tim  says:
First I've heard of this, where can I find out what the app does?  I'm sure I'm on-board with this but would like to at least be able to know what they are rejecting.  Thanks in advance.
Jan 10, 2011 7:01 AM Guest Brad  says:
Of course Christianity is offensive to the outside world.  We as Christians profess that Jesus is the ONLY way.  If you don't believe that, it's offensive.  I believe Paul, John the Baptist, and even Christ offended people.  It's just the nature of the religion.  If you don't like the decisions that Apple makes as a company, then don't support them by buying their products and services.
Jan 10, 2011 9:21 AM Guest Josh  says:
Are we to be surprised or amazed when the world  treats us this way?
The second (2) chapter of 1 Peter is something that we  as Christians should always keep in mind. The Word of God is an offense and a  stumbling block (reverences Isaiah) and also in Luke (Luke 12:49-53). This world  is not our home (1 Peter 2:11).
While we live in a country, the United States, that  offers us freedom of speech and freedom of press and freedom of religion,  we MUST align ourselves with our true allegiance, Jesus Christ. When this  country, as well as the rest of world, persecutes us for our Faith we must count  it all joy to suffer (James 1:2). Walk the narrow way that Jesus as laid before us and He will honor you in the world that will last forever.
Jan 10, 2011 10:09 AM Guest Daniel D  says in response to Chris:

Agree wholeheartedly with Chris (Jan 10, 6:24am) on this one. Boycotts focus your attention on the thing being boycotted instead on things avove. It actually has the opposite affect that you are trying to achieve.

 

Instead of "running away from", or trying to "punish" Apple, why don't you just not give them another thought and use a phone or tablet based on HP WebOS, Google Android, Blackberry OS, Windows OS, etc.? There are so many more options than just the iPhone. Moreover, from FOTF's perspective, why could they not (as many, many others have suggested) either build this app for the other platforms, or simply build a mobile-optimized site (web app) that would serve all platforms?

 

Chris had a great point by saying that there are so many other things we could be spending our time on rather than spinning our wheels and working ourselves into a lather over Apple's right as a private company to screen the software that goes on their system.

 

Redeem the day, people! Time is short.
Jan 10, 2011 10:26 AM Guest Austin  says:

Before people start overreacting, lets look at Apple as a whole.  Their iTunes platform supports countless ministries via podcasts.  You can purchase Christian music there also.  Their software for media and communication is the best and is used by many churches.

 

My point is that Apple isn't hostel to Christianity.  It has rejected one app because it is "offensive" to a small group of Tolerance Totalitarians.  It's a dumb move, weak even.  But Apple isn't the devil and they have no responsibilty to Christianity.  Their products are just pieces of software and hardware and can be used for good and evil, just like anything else.

Jan 10, 2011 10:46 AM Guest SKASSIS  says in response to Paige:
i am not happy with Apple over this, but i also know how picky they are. this incident is not worth giving up your iPhone over-- you've already paid for your iPhone. Apple is trying to protect rights that we may disagree with. but perhaps an iPhone app is the wrong platform for some of this topic. Focus on the Family should not abandon the app, but fix it and move on with other valuable projects. don't get too hung up on the inconsistency of a device that can do a lot of good in other areas. try not to stir up trouble or you could get the Bible banned from the iPhone because of unnecessary trouble making. i'm not against Focus on the Family, or desire a compromise--there are a lot of injustices out there. there is a smart way to go about this. lets be smart.
Jan 10, 2011 11:27 AM Guest Anonygrl  says in response to Bob :

I emailed him too... to thank him for not bowing to your inappropriate pressure.

 

Apple obviously does not find Christianity offensive.  If they did, they would not carry ANY Christian apps, and as it is, they have a rather large selection of them available today.  What is offensive is the Manhattan Declaration and quite a few of the people it offends are, as it happens, Christians.

 

Perhaps you need to examine your app to find out why so many are offended by it.

 

Remember that whole 'take the log out of your eye before you go after the speck in your brother's eye' bit?
Jan 10, 2011 11:31 AM Guest Michelle  says:
IMPORTANT QUESTION: What is the app that Apple has declined?  As a user of another smartphone company, I'd like to know if it's being declined from my company too.
Jan 10, 2011 1:52 PM Guest Abraham  says:
+1 for boycotting Apple. I think they're spamming messages that have "Manhattan Declaration" in the subject. Clearly we Christians aren't worth their time, so why would they be worth our money?
Jan 12, 2011 9:14 AM Guest Chris H  says:
I agree.  We should boycott Apple.  What's the matter with them?  Why don't they believe in free speech?  Why are they anti-Christian.  They're going to continue to persecute us if we don't stand up for what is right.
Jan 10, 2011 5:02 PM Guest Loreen  says:

This was just another opprotunity for the enemy to get in to shut up the voice of God. We have to continue to keep watch and pray!!!!

 

Jesus wins!!!!!!!
Jan 11, 2011 7:42 AM Guest Mr. C  says:
Didn't anyone get what this really is? It is religious bigotry. Clearly discriminatory as the denial is based on religious and or creed context. It is against the law to discriminate based on religion. How ironic the pagan Apple corp is. They spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to overturn California marriage laws and talk about tolerance. Tolerance Apple, where is your tolerance for those that do not ascribe to your beliefs? FWIW, I have 5 Apple computers at the time. I prefer them. I hate Apples politics. Due to their politics I avoid purchase of any Apple product that I can avoid. I stopped purchasing anything on iTunes a couple of years ago when they supported the Gay Marriage Act for California. I will continue to by other peripheral and software in protest of their anti moral stances. I will even switch platforms if they continue assaults such as the app denial. I have not purchased Levis since they withdrew support of the boy scouts. I'm ready for battle of the pocketbook.
Jan 11, 2011 5:55 AM Guest Anna  says:

EVIDENCE in Scripture, science, clinical medicine and mental health as well as CDC statistics and police reports are against Steve Jobs and the pansexual agenda and lifestyles.  Whereas, EVIDENCE consistently supports Judeo-Christian morals, behavior and lifestyles as healthier and happier.

 

If some class action lawsuits were filed against people promoting these unhealthy lifestyles were to be filed, it might wake people up.

 

For Obama to have appointed Kevin Jennings as 'safe school czar' when he promotes homosexuality and physically dangerous behaviors makes both Jennings and Obama liable for the consequences and harm to childrens' health.

 

A child's identity is not fully formed in junior and senior high.  And, there is no such thing as 'sexual identity or orientation' these concepts were manufactured to promote the homo-trans, etc. sexual agendas.

 

National and state legislators, school systems and guidance counselors who promote homosex as an 'orientation' and 'identity', who recommend abortion (when the breast cancer link has been solidly proven as well as other mental health consequences) and other unhealthy behaviors should be held responsible for their actions.
Jan 11, 2011 6:46 AM Guest Robin  says in response to David:
David, I can't agree with you more. It seems as though people want to boycott products or companies just because they do not believe what they believe. As a believer if I were to stop doing business with those that don't believe as I do I would never purchase another thing. We live in a world full of lost people. As a Christian, it's our duty to find ways to reach them. In this case, with the app, I would say keep trying, that's what Jesus would do.
Jan 11, 2011 9:19 AM Guest Martin  says:
What is the purpose of this application anyway? Its just a survey to guage your opinion on pre-selected questions?
Jan 11, 2011 4:01 PM Guest John  says:

I, for one, thinks that we as Christians ought to leave this alone.

 

Apple has made many decisions as a private company.

 

Christians, leave this alone.

 

I signed the Manhattan Declaration. I'm disappointed at the response of the organization.
Jan 11, 2011 5:03 PM Guest emily  says:
I understand what FOTF is doing, I desire to have my kids grow up in a society that does not try to indoctrinate them with the enemy's agenda.  However, I also realize that I have no such right.  Since the beginning of Christianity, the world has hated and persecuted us.  Jesus himself said to expect it. They hated Him and the servant is not greater than the master.  Christians in other countries are being killed and persecuted for their faith every day.  Why have we not yet learned to expect this?  I hope Apple comes around, but I don't think that souls are won through legislature or Apps defending our morals.  Souls are won by Christians showing love to all people.  Jesus said they would know us by  our love-not by our morals.  I believe in the sanctity of marriage (although let's face it, as a church we don't- our divorce rates are the same as the world.)  I believe in the sanctity of life, I believe homosexuality is sin.  But the world has heard our morals.  They all know what we think.  They're waiting to see us live it, they're waiting to experience our love, and they're waiting for US to really start to believe it.
Jan 11, 2011 7:08 PM Guest John  says in response to John:

I have to agree. Christians...we get so fired up about somebody not agreeing with us... this is the totally-wrong approach!

 

Apple is a private company...

 

OK, so boycott them. But please, recognize that this is not a matter free-speech. At worst (or best, depending how you look at it) this is a matter of the world rejecting Jesus... so if it's that case, EXPECT IT. Don't try to force-feed the world your view. Instead, as 2 Tim shows us, guard the Gospel, look for opportunities to share it when people are drawn, as you live your life before men... and SHARE IT (read: not force it)

 

Do you realize that Apple could come back with "we don't want to sell Christian, exclusivist material" and THAT IS OK (i.e., OK with capitalism...it's their store! When you have a store, YOU CAN SELL WHAT YOU WANT TOO!)

 

PLEASE---Christians... STOP BECOMING KNOWN FOR WHAT YOU ARE AGAINST and serve the world the GOOD NEWS!

 

PS... I'm a pastor, a signer of the Manhattan Declaration, and I'm disappointed with the MD's decision to make this such a big deal. Also, I'm disappointed with the rest who push this same agenda.

 

PPS--- This whole thing is basically the same argument other people have made about their apps not being accepted, except this plays the "free speech" card with a Christian slant instead of any other of a myriad of slants not worth listing here.
Jan 13, 2011 6:28 AM Guest Thomas  says:
Apple is a bad company anyway. Who needs themanyway when we have Android.One of the boggest shareholders of Apple is Hugh Hefner (of Playboy fame) and I don`t support porn. Please make the app for Android/.
Jan 13, 2011 2:11 PM Guest Jeff  says in response to Gretta:
I appreciate the comment, only in that it represents the very same free speech that this article is defending.  As a Christian your words are exasperating and accusatory of a Godly man and organization.  It is because of Apple's large influence that this issue is important.  I am afraid you are not understanding the intent of the message here, or what is at stake.  Perhaps the tightening of the anti-christian mega-culture has you frightened, I don't know.  But let's stand together unified and stop this bickering.
Jan 13, 2011 8:26 PM Guest Diana  says:
To me, the real issue seems to be companies, including Apple, bowing to the pressure of a very vocal homosexual minority and ignoring the desires of an all too quiet Christian majority.  We as Christians need to make our voices heard and our numbers seen.
Jan 14, 2011 4:59 PM Guest Lyle  says in response to Richard J:

If Apple were promoting Homosexuality, would that be a big enough deal for you contact them and voice your objections?

 

Jesus spoke out against evil while on earth and also throughout His word. If we refuse to join Him in speaking out, as He did and does, might it be that we are ashamed of Him?
Jan 15, 2011 12:05 PM Guest Sarah  says:
Excuse the Rant:

 

Oh please. Christian's get all upset about something "Apple" did, when in fact it's just some computer geek pushing the approve or disapprove button.  Apple gets hundreds, of thousands of requests to put a new application in the app store every day.  Steve Jobs isn't the one who is making the decisions... an employee working for Apple is!  Does that employee represent Apple as a whole? No... Everywhere you look there is always going to be someone who pushes a "decline" button.  Whether he works in a church or for Apple.  Not everyone agrees on tough topics and in this instance, I'm sure the employee thought he was following his job.  There is a standard procedure when an app request comes to Apple's attention and I am sure he just clicked a couple buttons and boom, it was declined.  I work as an Apple Campus Representative at my college and don't make any of these type of decisions.  However, I know Apple always wants to do what's best (or what they believe as a company is best) and sometimes saying "no" is necessary.  I am not allowed to team up with organizations on campus that may give Apple a bad name.  I am not allowed to team with any bisexual/homosexual groups, religious organizations, or anything that may be offensive in the public's eyes.
I do think this app would be great in the app store, but if it doesn't get enough hits, users or feedback it will most likely be removed. It may take a few times before Apple approves it again.  Don't freak out, the people from Manhattan Declaration are just mad because their app didn't get approved and they want someone to blame.  Their lack of insight on how Apple works with their approval process kind of annoys me.   It is most reasonable to imagine that there was one person/employee who reviewed this app, with a previous bias. Were they a homosexual? Atheist? Radicalist? Who knows! Is it then fair to blame all of Apple and Steve Jobs for one reviewer's judgment? Even if it was more than one person, does it still represent Apple as a whole?

 

I am against homosexuality, especially in the church, and believe that the word "marriage" is between one man and one woman. I am just upset because everyone on this page is generalizing Apple as a NON-CHRISTIAN company and that they should boycott Apple's products and services.  In fact, if you are considering a boycott at all you should reconsider. A few questions to ponder on: Do you keep your money at Chase Bank? Bank of America? Do you use MasterCard or American Express? What about have insurance with Allstate? Is your cell phone service with AT&T? Shop at Barnes and Noble, Best Buy, or Target recently? Get gas from Shell or BP? With your Ford car? What about buy something from Campbells Soup, Coca-Cola, Pepsi, Johnson & Johnson,? Drink a Starbucks? Own a Dell, Miscrosoft, or Apple computer?
Hmm, not to keep the list going but every one of those companies has publicly supported gay rights. Check out this website and you may want to rethink your "agenda": http://www.yourchristianspace.com/blog/view/id_18489/title_top-companies-that-support-gay-rights/ . I have double checked almost all the facts and you can too.  I do agree that boycotting companies due to their support in homosexuality is admirable, but when you are living double standards by boycotting Apple and not other companies (for example, PepsiCo)... it's a bit hypocritical. In fact, Pepsi supports homosexuality to the point of giving millions of dollars to homosexual groups and even advertising in filthy gay magazines. Just one of the many examples.

 

All I'm saying is that we (Christian's) should not be people who become irritable at every inconvenience in our spiritual journeys.  People take things too seriously and forget that it's just an App.  Posting advertisements on a popular website, creating a blog, targeting users who would be interested in the Manhattan Declaration would be just as effective. I'm not saying they should stop their fight for getting the Application onto the App store, but to just relax a bit.

 

I am actually not surprised that Apple denied this App and understand why they did so.  I do believe this application would cause a "hate group" atmosphere and feel that we (Christian's) would be using Apple to try to push an agenda. Please don't get angry with my opinion, because it is just my opinion and how I feel on this issue.

 
Jan 18, 2011 3:38 AM Guest Chris B  says in response to Thomas:

Thomas: You claim "One of the boggest shareholders of Apple is Hugh Hefner", do you have any proof of this?

 

Apple doesn't allow pornographic apps on it's iPhone. Android does. There is even a website set up specifically to buy porn apps for the Android. Isn't porn a much bigger problem in the US? Which company would you rather support?
Jan 20, 2011 8:20 AM Guest Magic  says:

As a Christian, a pastor and an Apple employee I am suprised to read a post like this from Focus on the Family. How can we expect a Non-Christian company to behave like a Christian private company?

 

I never worked for a company and had a more enjoyable work enviroment then what I have at Apple. A workplace filled with people respectful to each other despite political, racial and religious beliefs. Apple is very open to people of God and in my 2 1/2 years I have seen the amount of Christians employed in my store triple. My Apple team supports my ministry and refer pastors and Christian leaders to me when people have questions on ministry use of Apple products. Apple is full of good people who Jesus died for and I'm honored to be one of his ambassadors at Apple.

 

I see more unity, love and understanding at Apple at times then I have seen in the body of Christ. Despite the people differences Apple employee's love Apple products and unite under that banner. As Christians the banner we stand under is supposed to be Christ's love. Are we standing under that banner by nitpicking a private company which safeguards better then most non Christian companies? Or is Apple a easy target because of our success over the past 9 years?

 

I completely agree with what Sarah said on Jan 15, 2011 12:05 PM and what John  says in response to John on Jan 11, 2011 7:08 PM.

Jan 24, 2011 4:51 PM Guest Cathy  says in response to Gretta:

I think you have gone a little overboard on your comments to Jim Daly (as well as use very large letters).  Obviously, you do not know all of the good that James Dobson and Focus on the Family has done.  I think he was correct to point out to the Focus on the Family community that Apple was unwilling to include a Christian application on the iPhone!  

Feb 3, 2011 4:12 PM Guest JP  says in response to Gretta:
"I have helped missionaries, churches, youth groups, non-profits only by the power of Apple."  Only by the power of Apple, seriously?

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